SS-Oberführer Cassius Freiherr von Montigny (1890-1940)
SS-Oberführer Cassius Freiherr von Montigny (1890-1940)
I once read on this forum a death in senior SS circles related to the SS-Führerschule Braunschweig, was it the Kommandeur or his son who died pre-war? I can't remember unfortunatly. Maybe someone knows more?
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I don't know if these are the two you have in mind, but the prewar commander (1936 - '38) of SS-Junkerschule Braunschweig, SS-Brigadeführer Friedemann Goetze survived the war, dying in 1946; his son, SS-Staf. Hans-Friedemann Goetze, was KIA in France in May 1940 (see these threads for further details: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... ght=goetze and http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... ght=goetze ).
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Hi Michael, thanks for that (didn't know they were related) but the death I'm looking for occured before the war and the deceased was given a state funeral with all the accompaging luster and grandeur. I'm guessing it was 1938 or early 1939. I already looked through your excellent contributions on the thread in this forum listing all the Brif.-Ogruf. who didn't live to see 1946 but he's not listed there either.
I can find no senior officer connected with Braunschweig who died during the time period quoted. Kommandeurs were
Paul Hausser 1.11.34 - 1.6.36
Friedmann Goetze 1.6.36 - 1.7.38
Arno Altvater-Mackensen 1.7.38 - 25.10.39
Lothar Debes 1.1.40 - 1.1.42
Werner Ballauff 1.1.42 - 17.2.45
The is no record of any of their children dying during the period quoted, the nearest coming to satisfy the criteria is the afor mentioned Goetze and his son
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Paul Hausser 1.11.34 - 1.6.36
Friedmann Goetze 1.6.36 - 1.7.38
Arno Altvater-Mackensen 1.7.38 - 25.10.39
Lothar Debes 1.1.40 - 1.1.42
Werner Ballauff 1.1.42 - 17.2.45
The is no record of any of their children dying during the period quoted, the nearest coming to satisfy the criteria is the afor mentioned Goetze and his son
PHil Nix
Thanks Phil, it was ironically enough in one of your older postings I realised someone you mentioned was the man I was looking for. I just wish I saved that posting of yours.
He might have been merely related to Braunschweig, but he certainly was one of the "old guard" (Polizei, Heeresoffiziere, party-members at funeral in Braunschweig) and involved in the SS-Totenkopf-Verbände/Division. Date of death either 1938 or 1939. Does this help you any further?
He might have been merely related to Braunschweig, but he certainly was one of the "old guard" (Polizei, Heeresoffiziere, party-members at funeral in Braunschweig) and involved in the SS-Totenkopf-Verbände/Division. Date of death either 1938 or 1939. Does this help you any further?
How about Cassius Freiherr von Montigny brief notes attachedStubaf wrote:Thanks Phil, it was ironically enough in one of your older postings I realised someone you mentioned was the man I was looking for. I just wish I saved that posting of yours.
He might have been merely related to Braunschweig, but he certainly was one of the "old guard" (Polizei, Heeresoffiziere, party-members at funeral in Braunschweig) and involved in the SS-Totenkopf-Verbände/Division. Date of death either 1938 or 1939. Does this help you any further?
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Phil, you're a walking dictionary! I'm 99% sure that this is our man, with both connections to SS-TK-Rgt.2 and Braunschweig it can't get any better. However, I wonder, were SS-men permitted to wear their black uniforms still in 1940? Technically the war was won at that point since there was no mentioning yet of the war with Russia.
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Hello Phil,
Can you please tell me what you've written down below this great bio from Cassius von Montigny???
I know there's something written about a Polizeischule and about a SS-Totenkopfstandarte but I
can't read it all.
So hopefully you can be so kind to tell me what's written down there so that I can add that to my file as well.
Thank you very much.
Greetings,
Mike
Can you please tell me what you've written down below this great bio from Cassius von Montigny???
I know there's something written about a Polizeischule and about a SS-Totenkopfstandarte but I
can't read it all.
So hopefully you can be so kind to tell me what's written down there so that I can add that to my file as well.
Thank you very much.
Greetings,
Mike
Beim Polizeischule Eiche 1926 - 1931Mikedc wrote:Hello Phil,
Can you please tell me what you've written down below this great bio from Cassius von Montigny???
I know there's something written about a Polizeischule and about a SS-Totenkopfstandarte but I
can't read it all.
So hopefully you can be so kind to tell me what's written down there so that I can add that to my file as well.
Thank you very much.
Greetings,
Mike
Kdr 5 SS Totenkopfstandarte 2.9.39 - mid 10.39 (Succeeded by Sacks)
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Re: senior SS officer death (pre-war)?
An air raid on Bad Tölz in November 1940 ... uh huh ... what a bullshit!
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Re: SS-Oberführer Cassius Freiherr von Montigny (1890-1940)
Phil took this info in the book "Soldiers of Destruction" by Charles W. Sydnor who used largely BAMA sources. page 105 He wrote " named commandant of the SS JS at Bad Tölz by Himmler on july 15 1940. He served in this capacity , however, only until november 8 1940 when he died suddenly of a massive heart attack during a British air raid". (BAMA III SS Splittenakten der 3 SS- Panzer-Division )
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Re: SS-Oberführer Cassius Freiherr von Montigny (1890-1940)
I did not claim that Phil Nix created this myth, nor do I claim it was created by Sydnor. Still, it remains bullshit.
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