Hi
I had some information that Albanian fleet (4 cutters or what - Tirane, Durres, Saranda and Vlore) were captured by Italian fleet. Does anybody know anything about that ships?? 46BRT 17 knots, 1*76mm 2*7.62mmAA.
Albaniam fleet in Italy
Well, this question catches me completely unprepared... 
Bagnasco & Cernuschi in their "Le navi da guerra italiane 1940-1945" don't list those ships, even though that book lists really every single ship in the Italian Navy, even the smallest ones. There is a Durazzo (Italian name of Durres), but it was an Italian minelayer built well before the occupation of Albania.
Even Crociani's "Gli albanesi nelle forze armate italiane (1939-1943)" doesn't mention Albanian ships, but the space he devotes to the Albanian navy is admittedly extremely short (a mere half-page out of 392). Moreover he tells openly that "In 1939, at the moment of the Italian landing, Albania hadn't ships nor war airplanes. The Navy was limited to port commands, included into the organization of the Army; [...]" (page 161).
Sorry if I wasn't able to help you.
By the way, where did you get your interesting info, please?
Bagnasco & Cernuschi in their "Le navi da guerra italiane 1940-1945" don't list those ships, even though that book lists really every single ship in the Italian Navy, even the smallest ones. There is a Durazzo (Italian name of Durres), but it was an Italian minelayer built well before the occupation of Albania.
Even Crociani's "Gli albanesi nelle forze armate italiane (1939-1943)" doesn't mention Albanian ships, but the space he devotes to the Albanian navy is admittedly extremely short (a mere half-page out of 392). Moreover he tells openly that "In 1939, at the moment of the Italian landing, Albania hadn't ships nor war airplanes. The Navy was limited to port commands, included into the organization of the Army; [...]" (page 161).
Sorry if I wasn't able to help you.
By the way, where did you get your interesting info, please?
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Thanks for replies. I'm not sure if this is true information. I find it ONLY on ONE Polish website http://www.jurek.com.pl/bron2ws/index2. ... af23efc5ed there.
I check it on http://www.regiamarina.net and on http://www.comandosupremo.com (By The Way Lupo, You have great website there) and there is no confirmation of this information. Only about Royal Yacht about which Lupo mentioned.
Those 4 ships were commisioned in SVAN shipyard, Venezia - 1926
07.04.39 captured by Italians
They were sailing "under Italian flag" (maybe not as "warship"??)
Two of them survived hole war, and in 47 returned to Albania.
And I'm only searching
Best regards
Thanks for replies. I'm not sure if this is true information. I find it ONLY on ONE Polish website http://www.jurek.com.pl/bron2ws/index2. ... af23efc5ed there.
I check it on http://www.regiamarina.net and on http://www.comandosupremo.com (By The Way Lupo, You have great website there) and there is no confirmation of this information. Only about Royal Yacht about which Lupo mentioned.
Those 4 ships were commisioned in SVAN shipyard, Venezia - 1926
07.04.39 captured by Italians
They were sailing "under Italian flag" (maybe not as "warship"??)
Two of them survived hole war, and in 47 returned to Albania.
And I'm only searching
I loooove giving that questionWell, this question catches me completely unprepared... Embarassed
Best regards
Thank you Patrynius.
I've searched again, but without results. Those ships are too slow to be MAS (at first, given the producer, SVAN, I thought about that type of ship), but their displacement is really small. The only ships that very distantly could resemble them were the two small minesweepers of the "Vigilante" class: 70 tons, 12 knots, one 76mm and three machinegus. But they were still larger and were built by the CRDA shipyards for the Regia Marina in 1937-38. By the way, a little curiosity: the Vigilante was transported to the Ochrida lake, between Albania and Bulgaria (only with the borders of 1941-1944, of course; moreover, Bulgaria got a part of the coast of that lake because of the presence of an Ortodox monastry in that area, that thus shouldn't have been under the control of a Muslim state as Albania according to Bulgarian diplomats), and served there, also in some anti-partizan duties; it was scuttled after the armistice of 8 Sept. 1943.
I've searched again, but without results. Those ships are too slow to be MAS (at first, given the producer, SVAN, I thought about that type of ship), but their displacement is really small. The only ships that very distantly could resemble them were the two small minesweepers of the "Vigilante" class: 70 tons, 12 knots, one 76mm and three machinegus. But they were still larger and were built by the CRDA shipyards for the Regia Marina in 1937-38. By the way, a little curiosity: the Vigilante was transported to the Ochrida lake, between Albania and Bulgaria (only with the borders of 1941-1944, of course; moreover, Bulgaria got a part of the coast of that lake because of the presence of an Ortodox monastry in that area, that thus shouldn't have been under the control of a Muslim state as Albania according to Bulgarian diplomats), and served there, also in some anti-partizan duties; it was scuttled after the armistice of 8 Sept. 1943.
Hello dear friends
Yes I have the same line of thoughts, to slow to MAS,, I search in minesweepers (BTW I didn't know that they were river minesweepers), and I thought it could be this.. but too big
I try to contact with owner of this site that I mentione as a source, but there nobody answer
So as Lupo said
Once again thank you and I'm searchin
Yes I have the same line of thoughts, to slow to MAS,, I search in minesweepers (BTW I didn't know that they were river minesweepers), and I thought it could be this.. but too big
I try to contact with owner of this site that I mentione as a source, but there nobody answer
So as Lupo said
Maybe never on the navy listI wonder if those units could have been incorporated in a service other than Italian Navy..
Once again thank you and I'm searchin
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In Albanian website I digged info, that two first vessels of navy after WW2 were ex-Italian boats MS-10 and MS-12. It could be those two - may be this data helps?
By the way, I also suppose they were handed to e.g. Customs, not RM.
http://worldnavies.glt.pl/
By the way, I also suppose they were handed to e.g. Customs, not RM.
http://worldnavies.glt.pl/