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Bergepanzers

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Post by AikinutNY » 26 Sep 2005, 01:12

When were the first bergepanzers developed and deployed? Which models came first? The Bergepanzer III, then the Bergepanzer IV, then the Bergepanzer(P) followed by the Bergepanthers Ausf D then Ausf A/G What version was the Bergepanzer III's based on or were they built on repaired tanks? Was it the same for the IV's?

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Post by bryson109 » 26 Sep 2005, 02:52

The VK 36.01 was the first attempt at a fully-tracked recovery tank, renamed VKz 35.01 they were intended to recover broke down tigers, but there is no evidence had any VK 36.01 were converted to recovery tanks. In June 1943 12 Panthers Ausf.Ds were built without turrets as recovery tanks. In August 1943 3 Tiger(p)s were built as recover tanks. In July 1943 Panthers were built as purpose built recovery tanks with a winch. In March 1944 Panzer IIIs were rebuilt as recovery tanks. In May 1944 Bergepanzer 38 stared being built. In October 1944 Panzers IVs were converted into recovery tanks.


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Interesting

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Post by AikinutNY » 26 Sep 2005, 03:58

I would have tought that the bergepanzers would have followed the development of each vehicle. Were they using FAMO's for all the recovery of armored vehicles upto june 1943?

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Post by RB » 26 Sep 2005, 10:09

Does anyone have photos and information about Bergepz. III and Bergepz. IV???
Please post what you know about this rare vehicles!
Thx!

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Post by bearn » 26 Sep 2005, 18:20

RB wrote:Does anyone have photos and information about Bergepz. III and Bergepz. IV???
Please post what you know about this rare vehicles!
Thx!

RB
Most complete publication about Bergepanzer (IMHO) is PANZER TRACTS No 16 "Bergepanzer 38 to Bergepanther" - with information about Bergepanzer on the chassis Hetzer, Pz III, Pz IV, Elefant, Panther.

http://panzertracts1.tripod.com/pubs.htm

And some pictures only known (for me) picture Bergepanzer IV and several pictures Bergepanzer III from different sources
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And another pictures...

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Post by bearn » 26 Sep 2005, 18:28

Bergepanzer III
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And bergepanzer IV

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Post by bearn » 26 Sep 2005, 18:32

bergepanzer IV
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a pic

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Post by medieval dudes » 26 Sep 2005, 22:08

Hello comrades
Here is a picture of a Bergpanzer III:

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Source: http://ww2photo.mimerswell.com/index.htm

Enjoy all of you!

Gregory :D

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one more

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Post by medieval dudes » 26 Sep 2005, 22:15

Just found this one as well

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Source: http://users.swing.be/tanks.tanks/complet/797.html#795

Greg :)

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Bergepanzer IV ?

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Post by Matthias Radu » 26 Sep 2005, 22:50

I might be wrong, but:

That "Bergepanzer IV" Bearn posted has been described as being a Munitionsträger IV (ammunition carrier) in another thread lately IIRC, found by the Soviet Army in Lake Balaton area, Hungary after the heavy fighting there in March 1945 and marked as wreck # 211.

Just my 2 cents

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Re: Bergepanzer IV ?

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Post by bearn » 27 Sep 2005, 04:10

Matthias Radu wrote:I might be wrong, but:

That "Bergepanzer IV" Bearn posted has been described as being a Munitionsträger IV (ammunition carrier) in another thread lately IIRC, found by the Soviet Army in Lake Balaton area, Hungary after the heavy fighting there in March 1945 and marked as wreck # 211.

Just my 2 cents

Matthias
Probably this photograph from the book "Combat in Balaton lake area", but more probable on the picture Bergepanzer IV.

For which the transporter of ammunition has on the boards boxes for the spare wheels even two keys of large size? In Panzertracts No 16 drawings for Bergepanzer IV - these machines have the same elements.

But of course, i can mistaken...

With best regards, Vasily

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Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 27 Sep 2005, 11:54

bearn
What is the source of those photographs you posted?

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Post by bearn » 27 Sep 2005, 20:00

Christian Ankerstjerne wrote:bearn
What is the source of those photographs you posted?

Christian
We are from Russia, that explains everything :-)

These are Pics from different kind people, where they take it i don't kow. Some probably from Panzer tracts, some from "Frontline illustration", some from "Exprint" illustration", some from e-bay - i don't know, i receive disk from the frends without links...

With best regards. Vasily Diounov.

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Post by bearn » 28 Sep 2005, 04:05

Christian Ankerstjerne

Some photographs are encountered in several of publication, I wrote, where I met these photographs.

1 - probably from Panzer tracts No16 "Bergepanzer 38 to Bergepanther"
2 - probably from "Sturmgeschutz IV" [Militaria 94] (or from russian copy this publication StuG IV (Military - technical series ¹163))
3 - I don't know
4 - probably from frontline illustration "1945 - tank armies wehrmacht.", but these picture frequent occurence in russian language publication.
5 - from some site (about Ardennes operation?).
6 - from e-bay (probably).
7 - from the book "Combat in Balaton lake area".

With best regards, Vasily.

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Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 28 Sep 2005, 10:13

Thanks for the info, Vasily!

Christian

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