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GM Franz Schlieper

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Post by Richard Murphy » 30 Sep 2002, 21:10

There were two Schliepers. One was born on 4/8/92, the other on 22/8/05, and I am getting hopelessly mixed up as to which one was where and when, could anyone post a complete service record for either or both?

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Post by Glenn2438 » 30 Sep 2002, 21:34

Rich,

from Keilig's "Das Deutsche Heer 1939-1945:

Franz died on the 4th of April 1974 and Fritz on the 9th of June 1977.

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Post by Richard Murphy » 30 Sep 2002, 22:50

Thanks Glenn,
Could you e-mail that to me? My printer chops off about 1/3 of the right-hand side!

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Post by Richard Murphy » 14 Oct 2002, 21:45

Franz Schlieper won the Knights Cross whilst simultaneously leading the 1132nd Gren. Regt. and 73rd Inf. Div. in Warsaw on 21st September 1944. Could someone tell me which unit the 1132nd was subordinate to?

What were his functions as Chef St. b. Gen.d. Inf. i. OKH? Who was he resonsible to?
Similarly, what were his functions as Kdt. z. Gen. Stab. d. H?

As for Fritz,
What did Bef. Sonderstab II d. OKH do?
I assume the Stellv. XIII Korps is actually a Wehrkreis command Hq'd at Nürnberg?

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Post by USAF1986 » 14 Oct 2002, 22:59

Rich,

“Chef St. b. Gen.d. Inf. i. OKH” is the abbreviation for “Chief of Staff of the General of Infantry in the Army High Command.” The German Army High Command had a whole series of senior staff positions called “Waffengenerale” or roughly “Arm of Service Generals” who served as the inspector for their respective arm of service. For instance, there were “Waffengenerale” for the Infantry; Pioneers and Fortifications; Artillery; Mobile Troops; East Troops; and Volunteer Units. Unfortunately, the identity of the particular “Gen.d. Inf. i. OKH” that Schlieper served under from June-August 1944 is not listed in Kurt Mehner’s “Die deutsche Wehrmacht 1939-1945: Führung und Truppe.”

“Kdt. z.” is the abbreviation for “kommandiert zum/zur” or “detached to,” a temporary posting as opposed to “versetz zum/zur” or “transferred to.” In this case, he was detached for duty to the General Staff of Army Group H.

The German Army was very precise in making the distinction between “detached” or “transferred” status in officer personnel records!

I’m not exactly certain what Fritz Schlieper was responsible for in his capacity as “Befehlshaber Sonderstab II des OKH.” However, he succeeded Generalleutnant Friedrich Stahl who previously held this position. Anyone have any information?

You are correct in the last case: the Stellv. XIII Korps is also the Wehrkreis command at Nürnberg. The generals who held these commands, to use your example, held the full duty title of “Kommandierender General des stellvertretenden XIII. Armeekorps und Befehlshaber im Wehrkreis XIII.” At the time Fritz Schleiper served as Chief of the General Staff of that organization, General der Artillerie Friedrich von Cochenhausen was in command.

Fritz Schlieper then served as the Chief of the General Staff of the fairly short-lived Grenzschutz-Abschnittskommando Mitte, known concurrently as the 5th Army, commanded by General der Infanterie Curt Liebmann. This formation guarded the western border of Germany in September-October 1939 while the bulk of the German Army was engaged in the invasion of Poland. It manned positions in the Schneifel region and formed the link between the 1st Army (General der Infanterie/Generaloberst Erwin von Witzleben) and Army Detachment A (Generaloberst Kurt Freiherr von Hammerstein-Equord).

Although not listed in Keilig, Kurt Mehner & Antonio Munoz (“Göring’s Grenadiers”) both show Fritz Schlieper as commanding the 12th Field Division (Luftwaffe) from 10 April 1945-8 May 1945. Presumably, he commanded the remnants of the division that escaped by sea from Gotenhafen after the bulk of the division was destroyed in combat around Danzig.

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Post by USAF1986 » 14 Oct 2002, 23:17

Rich,

My apologies...I meant that Franz Schlieper was detached for duty to the General Staff of the Army NOT to the General Staff of Army Group H! Should have looked at that a bit more closely!

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Post by USAF1986 » 14 Oct 2002, 23:25

Rich,

Per Mehner as also shown in the Keilig extract posted above, Franz Schlieper commanded Grenadier-Brigade 1132 from 1 August 1944-7 September 1944. His entry from Walther-Peer Fellgiebel's "Die Träger Des Ritterkreuzes Des Eisernen Kreuzes, 1939-1945" likewise states:

"Kdr. Gren.Brig. 1132 u. Fhr. 73. I.D."

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Post by Richard Murphy » 14 Oct 2002, 23:31

USAF1986 wrote:Rich,

My apologies...I meant that Franz Schlieper was detached for duty to the General Staff of the Army NOT to the General Staff of Army Group H! Should have looked at that a bit more closely!

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Shawn
:lol: I did blink hard at that!

The sources I have would seem to indicate that 12 Lw was in the Courland pocket, so it would appear that after the disbandment of the 73rd he was evacuated from Danzig eastward to the Baltic States!

No hint of who the 1132nd was assigned to then?

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Post by USAF1986 » 15 Oct 2002, 00:05

Munoz describes the 12th Field Division (Luftwaffe) as serving in Courland until ordered to Danzig on 4 March 1945. The division was transported by sea from the port of Libau and began arriving at Danzig on 10 March 1945. Per the sources I mentioned, it appears that Schlieper did not assume command of the division until its remnants arrived in Schleswig-Holstein in early April 1945 (Munoz states the remnants departed Gotenhafen aboard a ship on 31 March 1945). Thus, based on this, Schlieper was not with this division in either Courland or Danzig!

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Post by USAF1986 » 15 Oct 2002, 00:15

Rich,

Just to clarify...I meant that, based on those sources, Schlieper did not command the 12 LW in Courland or at Danzig, not that he wasn't at Danzig! The 73 I.D. was also in the line around Danzig with the 12 LW. Who knows, maybe he was on the same evacuation ship with the 12 LW remnants!

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Post by Dieter Zinke » 30 Aug 2016, 19:13

Franz Max Schlieper
* 22.08.1905 Berlin-Friedenau
† 04.04.1974 München

01.10.1925 Fahnenjunker
01.08.1927 Fähnrich
01.08.1928 Oberfähnrich
01.12.1928 Leutnant
01.12.1932 Oberleutnant
01.03.1936 Hauptmann
01.01.1941 Major i.G.
01.03.1942 Oberstleutnant i.G.
01.02.1943 Oberst i.G.
01.12.1944 Generalmajor

Eltern: Genossenschaftsdirektor Max Franz Schlieper & Clara geb. Dudy.
Generalleutnant Fritz Schlieper (siehe dort) ist sein älterer Bruder

01.10.1925 Eintritt in das 13. (Württembergische) Infanterie-Regiment, Ludwigsburg
00.00.1928 im 4. (Preußischen) Infanterie-Regiment, Kolberg
00.12.1928 Kompanieoffizier in der 6. Kompanie des 4. (Preußischen) Infanterie-Regiment, Kolberg
00.00.1929 Kompanieoffizier in der 13. (Minenwerfer) Kompanie des 4. (Preußischen) Infanterie-Regiment, Kolberg
15.10.1935 Kompaniechef im Infanterie-Regiment 27, Rostock
06.10.1936 zur Kriegsakademie, Berlin, kommandiert
01.10.1938 in die 2. Abteilung (Organisationsabteilung) beim Oberquartiermeister III (O Qu III) im Generalstab des Heeres versetzt
01.10.1939 4. Generalstabsoffizier (Id) der 7. Armee
01.07.1940 1. Generalstabsoffizier (Ia) der 253. Infanterie-Division
01.09.1941 3. Generalstabsoffizier (Ic) der 9. Armee
01.08.1942 Kommandeur des Infanterie-Regiments 94
15.10.1942 Kommandeur des Grenadier-Regiments 94
01.02.1944 mit der Führung der 32. Infanterie-Division beauftragt
01.06.1944 Chef des Stabes beim General der Infanterie im OKH
01.08.1944 - 00.11.1944 Kommandeur der Grenadier-Brigade 1132
07.09.1944 mit der Führung der 73. Infanterie-Division beauftragt
01.12.1944 Kommandeur der 73. Infanterie-Division
10.04.1945 Kommandeur der 12. Feld-Division (L)
09.05.1945 in Danzig in russische Gefangenschaft; in den NKWD-Lagern Nr. 27/Krasnogorsk, 48/Černcy, Ležnevo, 119/Zelenodolsk, 476/Swerdlowsk; im Butyrskaja-Gefängnis in Moskau
24.06.1950 routinemäßig durch das Militärtribunal Moskau zu 25 Jahren Besserungsarbeitslager verurteilt
07.10.1955 repatriiert

Unverheiratet

EK I
KVK I mS
10.01.1944 Deutsches Kreuz in Gold
21.09.1944 Ritterkreuz


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Generalmajor Franz Schlieper (1905-1974)

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Post by askropp » 30 Aug 2016, 19:59

01.12.1928 Leutnant (7)
01.12.1932 Oberleutnant (2)
01.03.1936 Hauptmann (20)
xx.xx.194x Major mit RDA vom 01.06.1940 (14a)
01.04.1942 Oberstleutnant (1029)
20.04.1943 Oberst mit RDA vom 01.02.1943 (88)
01.12.1944 Generalmajor (34)

in Stellenbesetzung of:
01.05.1929 in der 6. / Infanterieregiment 4 (Kolberg)
01.05.1930 in der 13. (MW) / Infanterieregiment 4 (Kolberg)
01.05.1931 in der 13. (MW) / Infanterieregiment 4 (Kolberg)
01.05.1932 in der 13. (MW) / Infanterieregiment 4 (Kolberg)
01.05.1933 in der 13. (MW) / Infanterieregiment 4 (Kolberg)
01.04.1934 in der 13. (MW) / Infanterieregiment 4 (Kolberg)
01.02.1935 im Infanterieregiment 25 (Stargard)
15.10.1935 Chef der 13. (MW) / Infanterieregiment 27 (Rostock)
07.10.1936 an der Kriegsakademie (Berlin)
12.10.1937 an der Kriegsakademie (Berlin)
10.11.1938 in der 2. Abteilung (Organisationsabteilung) des Generalstabes des Heeres (Berlin)
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Re: The brothers Fritz & Franz Schlieper

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Re: The brothers Fritz & Franz Schlieper

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Post by graveland » 04 Feb 2023, 20:58

Thank you, Dieter, askropp and Thierry.

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Post by kstdk » 16 Apr 2023, 17:15

Hello

Franz Schlieper: Picture from BAMA/Invenio PERS 6/1860

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