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GI executions of German POW

Postby Ando on 03 Oct 2002 05:31

Were there many cases of this taking place and what kind of punishment did the US soldiers get if caught? I am asking this question because of what I have seen in shows such as BOB and accounts from german soldiers that I have read.

Were US soldiers given orders to treat the captured SS men harsher or did they just feel that it was their duty?
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Postby tonyh on 03 Oct 2002 11:18

Theres a number of cases attributed to the 45th "Thunderbird" division, but I have yet to read much about them. Its far easier to read about German/ Russian attrocities, 'cos there repeated all over the place.

Many massacres of prisoners of war were committed by the American 45th (Thunderbird) Division during the invasion of Sicily in 1943. At Comise airfield, a truck load of German prisoners were machine-gunned as they climbed down on to the tarmac, prior to be air-lifted out. Later the same day, 60 Italian prisoners were cut down the same way. On July 14, thirty six prisoners were gunned down near Gela by their guard, US Sergeant Barry West. At Buttera airfield, US Captain Jerry Compton, lined up his 43 prisoners against a wall and machine-gunned them to death. West and Compton were both arrested and convicted of murder. They were sent to the front where both were later killed in action. On April 29, 1945, units of the 45th. liberated the concentration camp of Dachau where more atrocities were committed.

In the village of Chenogne, the US 11th Armoured Division had captured around sixty German soldiers. Marched to behind a small hill, out of sight of enemy troops still holding the woods beyond the village, the prisoners were subjected to a volley of machine-gun fire. On this cold and frosty first day of 1945, the GIs were showing no mercy for their unfortunate prisoners as they crumpled to the ground, shot dead in cold blood. With memories of the Malmedy massacre still fresh in their minds, killing had become impersonal, revenge was now uppermost in their minds.

After the capture of the Remagen Bridge, the US Army hastily erected dozens of Prisoner of War cages around the bridge-head. The camps were simply open fields surrounded by concertina wire. Those at the Rhine Meadows were situated at Remagen, Bad Kreuznach, Andernach, Buderich, Rheinbach and Sinzig. The German prisoners were hopeful of good treatment from the GIs but in this they were sadly disappointed. Herded into the open spaces like cattle, some were beaten and mistreated. No tents or toilets were supplied. The camps became huge latrines, a sea of urine from one end to the other. They had to sleep in holes in the ground which they dug with their bare hands. In the Bad Kreuznach cage, 560,000 men were interned in an area that could only comfortably hold 45,000. Denied enough food and water, they were forced to eat the grass under their feet and the camps soon became a sea of mud. After the concentration camps were discovered, their treatment became worse as the GIs vented their rage on the hapless prisoners. In the five camps around Bretzenheim, prisoners had to survive on 600-850 calories per day. With bloated bellies and teeth falling out, the died by the thousands. During the two and a half months (April-May, 1945) when the camps were under American control, a total of 18,100 prisoners died from malnutrition, disease and exposure. This extremely harsh treatment at the hands of the Americans resulted in the deaths of over 50,000 German prisoners in the Rhine Meadows camps, in the months after the war ended. It must however be borne in mind that with the best will in the world it proved almost impossible to care for the prisoners under the strict terms of the Geneva Convention. The task of guarding these prisoners, numbering around 920,000, fell to the 40,000 men of the US 106th. Infantry Division. The Remagen cage was set up to accommodate 100,000 men but ended up with twice that number. On the first afternoon 35,000 prisoners were counted through the gate. About 10,000 of these required urgent medical attention which in most cases was completely absent. All roads leading to the camps were clogged with hundreds of trucks bringing even more prisoners, sent to the rear by the advancing 9th.US Army.

The massacre of 72 German and Italian troops at Biscari, now called Acate in Sicily, in 1943. American troops of the 180th regiment are allegedly guilty of the incident four days after they landed on the island. When 34 Italians and two Germans surrendered, a captain ordered his sergeant to execute them and a further 37 prisoners. The captain and sergeant were court-martialed. In their defence they said they had been ordered not to take prisoners. The captain quoted a pep talk given by Patton to commanders: "When we meet the enemy, we will kill him. We will show him no mercy." The captain was cleared of the charges. The sergeant was sentenced to life in jail but released after a year. This type of info is very difficult to come by and this I found in a book by Christopher Robbins, author of "The Test of Courage" a biography of Michael Thomas, a former American intelligence officer and "Nazi hunter".

This is taken directly from "Wie ein Fels im Meer" by Karl Ulrich and is from the point of view of a member of the 3rd SS Panzer Division Totenkopf in American captivity after the war. This particular instance occured while prisoners of SS Totenkopf were being force-marched into Russian held territory by their American captors to be handed over to the Russains.

"On this road to Freistadt there happened a general massacre of German prisoners of war by American soldiers which the world has not heard of by now. The men and leaders were so much bodily enervated - they simply could not go on anymore. The rate of marching speed was destined by the American panzers and was extremely fast, as 40km had to be covered on foot daily! They dragged themselves to the road-ditch or let themselves fall into it. Already at the cross-road, where the Russian commissary had stood, the escorting American soldiers jumped down from their panzers and shot from the shortest distance with their tommy-guns bullets into the temples or necks of the German prisoners of war sitting or lying at the road-ditch.
There they lay, the old Sergeant-Majors and Corporals, who had fought for years and who had gone with glad confidence into American captivity only four days ago - one beside the other at a distance of a few metres. By reason of one's own bodily condition everybody could judge for himself, when it would be his turn. From time to time, several tried to break out, but were mostly shot down by the elevated panzer machine-guns. It seemed that the American panzer unit wanted to win the same glory which we had acquired before in fair fight and not by massacres. I myself marched with the second group of our Assault Gun Battalion, approximatley in the 5th or 6th row. Shortly before Freistadt the road made a right-hand bend and through various cuts in the side wall (the farmers use them to get to their fields) one could make out that there was a steep downwards slope and a brook behind it. The instinct of self-preservation is known to heed no dangers."


During the war there was a written order given to a US reg stating that all SS men will be shot on sight. I'll post the name of the regiment later.

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Postby Matt on 03 Oct 2002 15:54

Wow.
I had heard of the poor treatment in the camps, but this is the first I have heard of the massacres. Are there links, or other sources to research this?
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Postby Dan on 03 Oct 2002 16:00

Hi

You'll find lots of stuff using the search function at this site about the 45th. They were an American Indian unit, so naturally the crimes that they committed aren't spoken about much, with P.C and all.
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Postby Roberto on 03 Oct 2002 17:16

tonyh wrote:Theres a number of cases attributed to the 45th "Thunderbird" division, but I have yet to read much about them. Its far easier to read about German/ Russian attrocities, 'cos there repeated all over the place.


Which I presume is primarily related to the fact that they were commonplace rather than sporadic.

Nevertheless, there's online information about massacres committed by US forces on George Duncan's web site under

http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/massacres.html

from which I quote the following accounts:

ATROCITIES IN SICILY
(1943)
Many massacres of prisoners of war were committed by the American 45th (Thunderbird) Division during the invasion of Sicily in 1943. At Comise airfield, a truck load of German prisoners were machine-gunned as they climbed down on to the tarmac, prior to be air-lifted out. Later the same day, 60 Italian prisoners were cut down the same way. On July 14, thirty six prisoners were gunned down near Gela by their guard, US Sergeant Barry West. At Buttera airfield, US Captain Jerry Compton, lined up his 43 prisoners against a wall and machine-gunned them to death. West and Compton were both arrested and convicted of murder. They were sent to the front where both were later killed in action. On April 29, 1945, units of the 45th. liberated the concentration camp of Dachau where more atrocities were committed.


CHENOGNE
(Jan 1, 1945)
In the village of Chenogne, the US 11th Armoured Division had captured around sixty German soldiers. Marched to behind a small hill, out of sight of enemy troops still holding the woods beyond the village, the prisoners were subjected to a volley of machine-gun fire. On this cold and frosty first day of 1945, the GIs were showing no mercy for their unfortunate prisoners as they crumpled to the ground, shot dead in cold blood. With memories of the Malmedy massacre still fresh in their minds, killing had become impersonal, revenge was now uppermost in their minds.


THE DACHAU KILLINGS
(April, 1945)
The Dachau Concentration Camp, near Munich, was liberated by US forces on the 29th.of April, 1945. First to enter the camp and confront the horror within was Private First Class John Degro, the lead scout of Company 1, 3rd. Battalion, 157 Infantry Regiment, 45th Division of the US 7th Army. Prior to entering the camp, the troops had come upon a train of thirty nine cattle trucks parked just outside the camp. The train had come from Auschwitz in Poland after a journey of thirty days. The trucks were filled with the corpses of 2,310 Hungarian and Polish Jews who had died from hunger and thirst. Enraged, the Americans rounded up most of the SS guard complement of 560 men, hundreds of whom had already deserted. Included in the round-up was a detachment from the 5th SS Panzer 'Viking' Division sent to Dachau earlier to maintain security and replace those who had deserted. Guarded by angry GIs, they were lined up against a wall to await the appearance of their commander, SS Obersturmfüher Heindrich Skodzensky. When he appeared, dressed immaculately with polished boots, and giving the military salute, which was ignored by the US company commander, Lt.William Jackson, who ordered "Line this piece of shit up with the rest of 'em over there". The GIs lost control and began shouting 'Kill em, kill em'. Filled with murderous rage and with tears streaming down his face, one GI of the 15th Infantry Regiment, US 3rd Division, opened fire with his machine-gun. After three bursts of raking fire, a total of 122 SS men lay dead or dying along the base of the wall. A few of the camp inmates, dressed in the familiar striped clothing and armed with .45 caliber pistols, then walked along the line of dead and dying guards and administrated the coup de grace to those still alive. Forty other guards were killed by revengeful inmates, some having their arms and legs torn apart. At another site near the SS hospital, 346 German guards were machine gunned to death on the orders of 1st Lt. Bushyhead, the executive Officer of Company 1, 3rd Battalion. Altogether, a total of 520 persons, acting as camp guards, including many Hungarians in German uniforms and recently returned from the Eastern Front, were killed that day. The sad fact is that many of these guards were new arrivals at the camp and were not the real culprits, the truly guilty had already fled. (Controversy rages to this day over just how many camp guards were killed at Dachau and different units of the US Army claiming the title 'First Liberators').


THE WEBLING ATROCITY
(April, 1945)
On the same day that the Dachau Concentration Camp was discovered, a massacre took place in the little hamlet of Webling , about ten kilometres from the camp. A Waffen -SS unit had arrived at the hamlet, which consisted of about half a dozen farm houses and barns, to take up defensive positions in trenches dug around the farms. Their orders were to delay the advance of the American tanks and infantry of the 7th.US Army which was approaching Dachau. The farms, mostly run by women with the help of French POWs, came under fire on the morning of 29th.April causing all inhabitants to rush for the cellars. One soldier of the US 222nd. Infantry Regiment of the 42nd Rainbow Division, was killed as they entered the hamlet under fire from the Waffen-SS unit. The first German to emerge from the cellar was the owner of the farm, Herr Furtmayer. He was promptly shot dead. Informed by the French POWs that only civilians were in hiding, the GIs proceeded to round up the men of the SS unit. First to surrender was an officer, Freiherr von Truchsess, heading a detachment of seventeen men.The officer was immediately struck with a trenching tool splitting his head open. The other seventeen were lined up in the farmyard and shot. On a slight rise behind the hamlet, another group of eight SS were shot. Their bodies were found lying in a straight line with their weapons and ammunition belts neatly laid on the ground. This would suggest that the men were shot after they surrendered. Altogether, one SS officer and forty one men lay dead as the infantry regiment proceeded on their way to Dachau. Next day the local people, with the help of the French POWs, buried the bodies in a field to be later exhumed by the German War Graves Commission and returned to their families.


There's also an account of a British massacre on the same site:

NAHRENDORF
( Near Hamburg. 1945 )
A week after the discovery of the Belsen Concentration Camp, a rumour reached the British Army's 'Desert Rats' that the 18th SS Training Regiment of the Hitler Jugend Division, had shot their prisoners at the nearby village of Rather. The 'Rats' were engaged in a fierce battle with the SS defenders in the village of Nahrendorf. Slowly, and in groups, the SS began to surrender. As the noise of battle died away the villagers emerged from their cellars and found the bodies of 42 SS soldiers lying in a shallow grave. The bodies were then interned on a hilltop cemetery near the village. Each year, hundreds of SS veterans visit the cemetery to pay tribute to their fallen comrades whom, they say, were shot in cold blood on the orders of a ‘crazed blood-thirsty British NCO’.


Atrocities by the Dutch against Japanese POWs:

RETALIATION IN INDONESIA

(1945/46) After the Pacific war ended, Holland made a major effort to regain her lost territories, in the Netherland East Indies (Indonesia). When the Dutch Colonial Army took over the area they found around 2,000 Japanese soldiers still on the island. They had stayed behind to help Indonesia gain her independence in case Japan lost the war. In the first nine days of the reoccupation the Dutch soldiers brutally murdered 236 Japanese soldiers in retaliation for the treatment they (the Dutch) had received in Japanese prisoner-of-war camps. Hundreds who were not killed were interned in slave labour camps in Timor and Java where they tried to recreate the same atmosphere as in the Japanese POW camps. There the Japanese soldiers were tortured and beaten to death when they could no longer work. In a short time the death toll had risen to over 1,000. Those prisoners who survived the retaliation were set free to find their own way back to Japan. Holland and Japan have since exchanged apologies for each other's cruel behavior towards the prisoners in their care.


And massacres committed by all sides on the high seas:

MASSACRE ON THE HIGH SEAS
On quite a number of instances, massacres have taken place at sea. In the Atlantic, on March 13, 1944, the Greek registered freighter SS Peleus was torpedoed and sunk by the U-852 (KL Heinz-Wilhelm Eck) Survivors on the life rafts were machine-gunned while other submarine crew members threw hand grenades into the rafts. Thirty two of the survivors were killed, only three were alive when rescued. Eck and three of his crew were sentenced to death by the War Crimes Court in Hamburg and on November 30, 1945, were shot. On the merchant ship Daisy Moller , 53 of her crew were machine-gunned to death by the crew of the Japanese submarine RO-110 on March 18, 1944. Only 16 crew members survived. The Nancy Moller , en route from Durban to Colombo, sunk by the I-165 on March 18, 1944. Thirty two of the crew were killed by pistol and machine-gun fire. The SS Ascot sank on February 29, 1944, after being torpedoed by a Japanese submarine in the Indian Ocean. Survivors were machine-gunned on the rafts and in the water. Of the 52 crew who had abandoned ship, only eight survived. The American Liberty ship Jean Nicolet , was torpedoed on July 2, 1944, while en route from Fremantle to Colombo. Her complement of 100 were taken on board the deck of the Japanese submarine I-8 and while squatting thus, the submarine submerged. Of the 100 passengers and crew of the Jean Nicolet only 23 survived to tell the tale. Similar atrocities were perpetrated on the survivors of the tanker British Chivalry (Feb.22, 1944) sunk by the I-37. Survivors in two lifeboats were machine-gunned, killing 20 crewmembers. The Dutch ship Tjisalak (March 26, 1944) torpedoed by the I-8. A total of 98 crew and passengers were massacred by sword and spanners used as clubs. The SS Sutley (Feb.26, 1944) and the SS John A Johnson (Oct.29, 1944). The SS Mellore, a British ship en route from Australia to Bombay with general cargo, torpedoed by the I-8 on June 29, 1944. Of the 209 passengers and crew, 79 were killed. The American freighter David H. Atwater, sunk by the U-552 (Kptlt. Erich Topp) off the coast of Virginia on April 2, 1942, the crew were machined-guned as they took to the lifeboats. Only three of the 27 crew survived the massacre. The crew of the German destroyer Erich Giese , sunk during the Battle for Narvik, swimming desperately in the water, were fired upon by British destroyers trying to prevent them reaching shore and joining up with German troops already there.
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Postby Ando on 04 Oct 2002 00:17

Thanks for the information guys
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Postby Dan W. on 04 Oct 2002 05:16

You can find more accounts of this type of activity in books by Donald Burgett, a 101st Airborne soldier who speaks of not being able to take prisoners when moving far and away from other units and support elements that were capable of handling them. He gives an couple excellent examples of this happening in Seven Roads to Hell where Germans Landsers (not SS) were captured and had to be disposed of as they were unable to take prisoners with them. One of these particular incidents enraged Burgett, who threatened this particular executioner if he acted in such a fashion again.
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...warcrime?

Postby Beate on 05 Oct 2002 14:21

What about this treatment that my father had to endure after being captured in the Ardennes:
Being tied to the field hospital bed after loosing his leg on christmas eve, one morning two GI´s stormed the tent and just shouted: heads down! Then they fired with their machine guns over the POW´s heads and anyone not quick enough...well tough on them! You certainly will not read about that anywhere...and still, it did happen. And for being harsh on members of the Waffen SS, well there is one example for you Ando.
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Postby Ken Jasper on 05 Oct 2002 21:47

You can find additional examples in the book "Foot Soldier, a Combat Infantryman's war in Europe" by Roscoe "Rocky" Blount. He was with the 84th Infantry Division, the "Railsplitters."
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Postby POW on 05 Oct 2002 22:38

Roberto wrote:
tonyh wrote:Theres a number of cases attributed to the 45th "Thunderbird" division, but I have yet to read much about them. Its far easier to read about German/ Russian attrocities, 'cos there repeated all over the place.


Which I presume is primarily related to the fact that they were commonplace rather than sporadic.

I cannot agree. I think an exhibition about Allied warcrimes can be filled very easy. They were not sporadic as you like to make us believe.
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Postby Dan on 05 Oct 2002 22:49

Good posts by POW and Roberto. POW, I think Roberto was refering to Western Allies rather than the Soviets, but I'll let him speak for himself. I personally think that the Western Allies committed more that generally spoken about, but still, the Soviets and Germans are in a catagory all of their own.

It was a stupid war.
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Postby walterkaschner on 05 Oct 2002 23:34

If one side uses force without compunctions, undeterred by the bloodshed it involves, while the other side refrains, the first will gain the upper hand. That side will force the other to follow suit; each will drive its opponent toward extremes, and the only limiting factors are the counterpoises inherent in war.



IMHO this reflects a cogent understanding of at least one palpable factor that led to at least some of the undeniable war crimes by the Western - and perhaps Soviet Allies. Can anyone guess (or know) the source?

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Postby Scott Smith on 05 Oct 2002 23:51

walterkaschner wrote:Can anyone guess (or know) the source?

You mean the "they started it--but we'll win it" excuse?

This is why it is so necessary to justify that the other guy started the war. His blows then are deemed aggressive and conspiratorial; whereas, your brutality and violence is only for justice and humanity.
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Postby walterkaschner on 06 Oct 2002 03:11

Hi Scott,

The author was not addressing the commencement of war, but rather the conduct of it. Do you know - or can you guess - who he was?

Do you recall Roosevelt's public plea to the WWII belligerents early on, and Chamberlain's statement in the Commons at about the same time, both regarding the use of air power against civilians? IMHO subsequent events confirm the author's perception.

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Postby Caldric on 06 Oct 2002 09:12

During the war there was a written order given to a US reg stating that all SS men will be shot on sight. I'll post the name of the regiment later.


I would very much like to see that written order. Or at least a reference to it. Because if it was an order 95 or more percent did not follow it.
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