Major Frankenberg
Major Frankenberg
Hello
I am looking for some information about a certain Major Frankenberg. I'm not sure he was if he was in the Luftwaffe, but I know he was a trustee of Göring. Apparently, according to Göring's interrogation at the end of the war, he asked this man to hide some of his artwork.
Any information would be most appreciated
Thanks
I am looking for some information about a certain Major Frankenberg. I'm not sure he was if he was in the Luftwaffe, but I know he was a trustee of Göring. Apparently, according to Göring's interrogation at the end of the war, he asked this man to hide some of his artwork.
Any information would be most appreciated
Thanks
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Egbert von Frankenberg und Proschlitz.
He became a member of the NSDAP in 1931.
He became a member of the SS in 1932.
During the Spanish civil war he fought with the Legion Condor.
During WW-2 he was a Major within the Luftwaffe.
From 8-1-43 till 9-5-43 he was CO from Kampfgeschwader 51 'Edelweiss' within IV. Fliegerkorps.
I'm looking for this man's partynumber and his SS-number.
And of course also his SS-rank(s)are more then welcome.
Greetings,
Mike
He became a member of the NSDAP in 1931.
He became a member of the SS in 1932.
During the Spanish civil war he fought with the Legion Condor.
During WW-2 he was a Major within the Luftwaffe.
From 8-1-43 till 9-5-43 he was CO from Kampfgeschwader 51 'Edelweiss' within IV. Fliegerkorps.
I'm looking for this man's partynumber and his SS-number.
And of course also his SS-rank(s)are more then welcome.
Greetings,
Mike
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To my knowledge Egbert von Frankenberg und Proschlitz was in Soviet captivity and joined the "Bund deutscher Offiziere / Nationalkomitee Freies Deutschland".
He entered in duty in the DDR-government after the war.
Dieter Z.
He entered in duty in the DDR-government after the war.
Ein weiterer PDS-Wahlkampfhelfer war Egbert von Frankenberg und Proschlitz, der bereits 1931 in die NSDAP eintrat, in der Legion Condor kämpfte, Kommodore des Kampfgeschwaders Edelweiß war und nach dem Krieg militärpolitischer Kommentator des Staatlichen Komitees für den Rundfunk der DDR wurde. NDPD-Funktionär und Funktionär und Präsident des Allgemeinen Deutschen Motorsportverbandes
Who is able to translate this information from Wickipedia ??Egbert von Frankenberg und Proschlitz (Straatsburg, 20 maart 1909-15 maart 2000) was een Oost-Duits politicus en militair.
Von Frankenberg was afkomstig uit een militair geslacht. Hij volgde naast een deeltijdstudie ook een opleiding tot piloot. Sinds 1931 lid van de NSDAP en sinds 1932 lid van de SS. Van 1935 tot 1942 was hij militair bij de Wehrmacht. Tijdens de Spaanse Burgeroorlog was hij vrijwilliger en Luftwaffe-commandant bij het Legioen Condor, de Duitse vrijwilligers die aan de zijde van Franco vochten.
Na de Duitse inval in de Sovjet-Unie (1941) vocht hij als majoor van de Luftwaffe aan het Oostfront. In 1943 werd hij krijgsgevangen genomen door de Russen. Tijdens zijn krijgsgevangenschap trad hij toe tot het Nationalkomitee Freies Deutschland (NKFD) en was hij medeoprichter van de Duitse Bond van Officieren. In 1948 keerde hij naar Duitsland (Oost) terug en werd hoofdambtenaar bij de deelstaatregering van Saksen.
In 1949 werd Von Frankenberg lid van de Nationaal Democratische Partij van Duitsland (NDPD), een satellietpartij van de communistische SED. Van 1949 tot 1951 was hij politiek leider van de NDPD in Thüringen. Van 1950 tot 1951 was hij vice-voorzitter van de Thüringer NDPD. Van 1951 tot 1990 was hij lid van de Hoofdcommissie (bestuur) van de NDPD.
Van 1951 tot 1952 was Von Frankenberg lid van het bestuur van Oost-Berlijn. Van 1951 tot 1954 was hij lid van de Volkskammer (parlement).
In 1957 promoveerde hij tot doctor op een dissertatie over massavernietigingswapens. Sedertdien was hij docent aan de partijhogeschool van de NDPD. Hij was tevens lid van de DDR-radiostichting.
Van 1957 tot 1989 was Von Frankenberg voorzitter van de Oost-Duitse Motorsportvereninging en van 1962 tot 1967 was hij vice-president van de Fédération Internationale des Motorcyclistes (Internationale Federatie van Motorrijders).
In 1979 werd hij onderscheiden met de Vaderlandse Verdienstenorde van de DDR.
Dieter Z.
Yes Dieter, he was in Sovjet-captivity after his assigment as CO KG 51.
Translation:
Egbert von Frankenberg und Proschlitz (Straatsburg, 20 maart 1909-15 maart 2000) was een Oost-Duits politicus en militair. *Egbert von Frankenberg und Proschlitz(Strassbourg, 20-3-1909/15-3-2000)was an East-German politician and soldier.*
Von Frankenberg was afkomstig uit een militair geslacht. Hij volgde naast een deeltijdstudie ook een opleiding tot piloot. Sinds 1931 lid van de NSDAP en sinds 1932 lid van de SS. Van 1935 tot 1942 was hij militair bij de Wehrmacht. Tijdens de Spaanse Burgeroorlog was hij vrijwilliger en Luftwaffe-commandant bij het Legioen Condor, de Duitse vrijwilligers die aan de zijde van Franco vochten. *Von Frankenberg came from a militairy family. Besides a parttime study he also followed an education as pilot. In 1931 he became a member of the NSDAP and in 1932 member of the SS. Between 1935 and 1942 he was a soldier within the Wehrmacht. During the Spanish civil war he was a volunteer and he was a Luftwaffe-commander with the Legion Condor, the German volunteers who fought on Franco's side.*
Na de Duitse inval in de Sovjet-Unie (1941) vocht hij als majoor van de Luftwaffe aan het Oostfront. In 1943 werd hij krijgsgevangen genomen door de Russen. Tijdens zijn krijgsgevangenschap trad hij toe tot het Nationalkomitee Freies Deutschland (NKFD) en was hij medeoprichter van de Duitse Bond van Officieren. In 1948 keerde hij naar Duitsland (Oost) terug en werd hoofdambtenaar bij de deelstaatregering van Saksen. *After the German attack on the Sovjet-Union(1941)he fought as a Major from the Luftwaffe at the Eastern front. In 1943 he became a prisoner of war in Russia and during his captivity he joined the Nationalkomitee Freies Deutschland(NKFD)and he was one of the founders from the German Association of Officers. In 1948 he returned to Germany(East)and he became a headcivilservant with the Government in Sachsen.*
In 1949 werd Von Frankenberg lid van de Nationaal Democratische Partij van Duitsland (NDPD), een satellietpartij van de communistische SED. Van 1949 tot 1951 was hij politiek leider van de NDPD in Thüringen. Van 1950 tot 1951 was hij vice-voorzitter van de Thüringer NDPD. Van 1951 tot 1990 was hij lid van de Hoofdcommissie (bestuur) van de NDPD. *In 1949 Von Frankenberg became a member of the National Democratic Party of Germany(NDPD), a sateliteparty from the SED. Between 1949 and 1951 he was a politic leader from the NDPD in Thüringen. In 1950 and in 1951 he was also vice-chairman from the Thüringer NDPD. Between 1951 and 1990 he was a member from the headcommission(board)of the NDPD.*
Van 1951 tot 1952 was Von Frankenberg lid van het bestuur van Oost-Berlijn. Van 1951 tot 1954 was hij lid van de Volkskammer (parlement). *In 1951 and in 1952 Von Frankenberg was a member of the board of East-Berlin. Between 1951 and 1954 he was a member of the parliament.*
In 1957 promoveerde hij tot doctor op een dissertatie over massavernietigingswapens. Sedertdien was hij docent aan de partijhogeschool van de NDPD. Hij was tevens lid van de DDR-radiostichting. *In 1957 he promoted to doctor on a dissertation about weapons of massdestruction. Since that time he was also a teachter at the party highschool from the NDPD. And he was a member of the DDR-radiofoundation.*
Van 1957 tot 1989 was Von Frankenberg voorzitter van de Oost-Duitse Motorsportvereninging en van 1962 tot 1967 was hij vice-president van de Fédération Internationale des Motorcyclistes (Internationale Federatie van Motorrijders). *From 1957 till 1989 Von Frankenberg was chairman from the East-German Motorsportassociation and between 1962 and 1967 he was vice-president from the International Federation of Motorcyclists.*
In 1979 werd hij onderscheiden met de Vaderlandse Verdienstenorde van de DDR. *In 1979 he received the Patriotic Order of Merit from the DDR.*
This was the best possible translation I could make.
Mike
Translation:
Egbert von Frankenberg und Proschlitz (Straatsburg, 20 maart 1909-15 maart 2000) was een Oost-Duits politicus en militair. *Egbert von Frankenberg und Proschlitz(Strassbourg, 20-3-1909/15-3-2000)was an East-German politician and soldier.*
Von Frankenberg was afkomstig uit een militair geslacht. Hij volgde naast een deeltijdstudie ook een opleiding tot piloot. Sinds 1931 lid van de NSDAP en sinds 1932 lid van de SS. Van 1935 tot 1942 was hij militair bij de Wehrmacht. Tijdens de Spaanse Burgeroorlog was hij vrijwilliger en Luftwaffe-commandant bij het Legioen Condor, de Duitse vrijwilligers die aan de zijde van Franco vochten. *Von Frankenberg came from a militairy family. Besides a parttime study he also followed an education as pilot. In 1931 he became a member of the NSDAP and in 1932 member of the SS. Between 1935 and 1942 he was a soldier within the Wehrmacht. During the Spanish civil war he was a volunteer and he was a Luftwaffe-commander with the Legion Condor, the German volunteers who fought on Franco's side.*
Na de Duitse inval in de Sovjet-Unie (1941) vocht hij als majoor van de Luftwaffe aan het Oostfront. In 1943 werd hij krijgsgevangen genomen door de Russen. Tijdens zijn krijgsgevangenschap trad hij toe tot het Nationalkomitee Freies Deutschland (NKFD) en was hij medeoprichter van de Duitse Bond van Officieren. In 1948 keerde hij naar Duitsland (Oost) terug en werd hoofdambtenaar bij de deelstaatregering van Saksen. *After the German attack on the Sovjet-Union(1941)he fought as a Major from the Luftwaffe at the Eastern front. In 1943 he became a prisoner of war in Russia and during his captivity he joined the Nationalkomitee Freies Deutschland(NKFD)and he was one of the founders from the German Association of Officers. In 1948 he returned to Germany(East)and he became a headcivilservant with the Government in Sachsen.*
In 1949 werd Von Frankenberg lid van de Nationaal Democratische Partij van Duitsland (NDPD), een satellietpartij van de communistische SED. Van 1949 tot 1951 was hij politiek leider van de NDPD in Thüringen. Van 1950 tot 1951 was hij vice-voorzitter van de Thüringer NDPD. Van 1951 tot 1990 was hij lid van de Hoofdcommissie (bestuur) van de NDPD. *In 1949 Von Frankenberg became a member of the National Democratic Party of Germany(NDPD), a sateliteparty from the SED. Between 1949 and 1951 he was a politic leader from the NDPD in Thüringen. In 1950 and in 1951 he was also vice-chairman from the Thüringer NDPD. Between 1951 and 1990 he was a member from the headcommission(board)of the NDPD.*
Van 1951 tot 1952 was Von Frankenberg lid van het bestuur van Oost-Berlijn. Van 1951 tot 1954 was hij lid van de Volkskammer (parlement). *In 1951 and in 1952 Von Frankenberg was a member of the board of East-Berlin. Between 1951 and 1954 he was a member of the parliament.*
In 1957 promoveerde hij tot doctor op een dissertatie over massavernietigingswapens. Sedertdien was hij docent aan de partijhogeschool van de NDPD. Hij was tevens lid van de DDR-radiostichting. *In 1957 he promoted to doctor on a dissertation about weapons of massdestruction. Since that time he was also a teachter at the party highschool from the NDPD. And he was a member of the DDR-radiofoundation.*
Van 1957 tot 1989 was Von Frankenberg voorzitter van de Oost-Duitse Motorsportvereninging en van 1962 tot 1967 was hij vice-president van de Fédération Internationale des Motorcyclistes (Internationale Federatie van Motorrijders). *From 1957 till 1989 Von Frankenberg was chairman from the East-German Motorsportassociation and between 1962 and 1967 he was vice-president from the International Federation of Motorcyclists.*
In 1979 werd hij onderscheiden met de Vaderlandse Verdienstenorde van de DDR. *In 1979 he received the Patriotic Order of Merit from the DDR.*
This was the best possible translation I could make.
Mike
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Re: Major Frankenberg
I'm still looking for his party- and SS-number.
And if someone has some info on his SS-ranks, hope you're willing to share that info as well.....
Thank you,
Mike
And if someone has some info on his SS-ranks, hope you're willing to share that info as well.....
Thank you,
Mike
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Re: Major Frankenberg
First things First...
1. Egbert v. Frankenberg was only a member of SS due to the fact that all sports clubs were nationalized including Flight Clubs under the leadership of the SS. So there was no real rank...
2. He was a party member like everyone else who was in the military.
3. He never met Göring. Only saw him once at a parade on an air field and he thought Göring was weird because he was walking around in a baby blue uniform.
Now to the things that dont make sense...
1. How could Göring ask my grand father to hide his art when he was captured by the Russians in 1943 already and not release till 48?
1. Egbert v. Frankenberg was only a member of SS due to the fact that all sports clubs were nationalized including Flight Clubs under the leadership of the SS. So there was no real rank...
2. He was a party member like everyone else who was in the military.
3. He never met Göring. Only saw him once at a parade on an air field and he thought Göring was weird because he was walking around in a baby blue uniform.
Now to the things that dont make sense...
1. How could Göring ask my grand father to hide his art when he was captured by the Russians in 1943 already and not release till 48?
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Re: Major Frankenberg
That information has been provided by the book by David Irving. I have just read this now, but find so little information on the concerned Major Frankenberg, whom Göring mentiones. Probably, he died during one of those bomb raids, or had changed his name and died little unknown like Josef Mengele. Does anyone have more information on him?
Re: Major Frankenberg
Here are all of the Luftwaffe Frankenbergs who attained the rank of Major or higher by war's end:
FRANKENBERG, Wilhelm. 01.11.41 with Wehrbezirkskdo. Celle, promo to Obstlt. z.D. 31.05.43 with Wehrbezirkskdo. Celle, released from service.
FRANKENBERG und PROSCHLITZ, Egbert von. (DOB: 20.03.09). 01.07.39 Oblt., trf from Aufkl.Kette (See) 88 to Stab/Höh.Flieger-Ausb.Kdo. 2. 1941 Hptm. and Kdr. III./KG 77 (to ?). 01.06.42 promo to Maj. 08.01.43 Maj., appt Kommodore KG 51 (to 09.05.43). 08.05.43 Maj., awarded Ehrenpokal. 1943? Maj., shot down, Kommodore KG 51, became propagandist for Soviets.
FRANKENBERG und PROSCHLITZ, Hans-Moritz von. (DOB: 19.02.10). 01.04.42 promo to Maj. 18.10.43 Maj., appt Kdr. NSGr. 4 (to 04.44).
FRANKENBERG und PROSCHLITZ, Paul-Moritz von. (DOB: 19.02.20). 1940 in Aufkl.Gr. 32 or in 1.(H)/Aufkl.Gr. 31. Last rank: Major.
[Source: deZeng/Stankey data base]
The career and assignment details for each are incomplete, but these are the only four.
HLdeZ
FRANKENBERG, Wilhelm. 01.11.41 with Wehrbezirkskdo. Celle, promo to Obstlt. z.D. 31.05.43 with Wehrbezirkskdo. Celle, released from service.
FRANKENBERG und PROSCHLITZ, Egbert von. (DOB: 20.03.09). 01.07.39 Oblt., trf from Aufkl.Kette (See) 88 to Stab/Höh.Flieger-Ausb.Kdo. 2. 1941 Hptm. and Kdr. III./KG 77 (to ?). 01.06.42 promo to Maj. 08.01.43 Maj., appt Kommodore KG 51 (to 09.05.43). 08.05.43 Maj., awarded Ehrenpokal. 1943? Maj., shot down, Kommodore KG 51, became propagandist for Soviets.
FRANKENBERG und PROSCHLITZ, Hans-Moritz von. (DOB: 19.02.10). 01.04.42 promo to Maj. 18.10.43 Maj., appt Kdr. NSGr. 4 (to 04.44).
FRANKENBERG und PROSCHLITZ, Paul-Moritz von. (DOB: 19.02.20). 1940 in Aufkl.Gr. 32 or in 1.(H)/Aufkl.Gr. 31. Last rank: Major.
[Source: deZeng/Stankey data base]
The career and assignment details for each are incomplete, but these are the only four.
HLdeZ
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Re: Major Frankenberg
Hello,
according to Knopf & Martens (2007, p.133) the man in question was a Hauptmann Frankenberger, the last commander of the guards unit at Carinhall. His job was to blow up Göring's residence. He and his men also buried a number of statues on the estate and threw others into neighbouring Lake Döllnsee where they were recovered in the 1990s (Löhr, 2009, p.72).
References:
Knopf, Volker; Martens, Stefan
Görings Reich. Selbstinszenierung in Carinhall.
4th. ed.; Ch. Links Verlag; Berlin; 2007
Löhr, Hanns C.
Der eiserne Sammler. Die Kollektion Hermann Göring - Kunst und Korruption im "Dritten Reich".
Gebr. Mann Verlag; Berlin; 2009
Best regards
Torsten
according to Knopf & Martens (2007, p.133) the man in question was a Hauptmann Frankenberger, the last commander of the guards unit at Carinhall. His job was to blow up Göring's residence. He and his men also buried a number of statues on the estate and threw others into neighbouring Lake Döllnsee where they were recovered in the 1990s (Löhr, 2009, p.72).
References:
Knopf, Volker; Martens, Stefan
Görings Reich. Selbstinszenierung in Carinhall.
4th. ed.; Ch. Links Verlag; Berlin; 2007
Löhr, Hanns C.
Der eiserne Sammler. Die Kollektion Hermann Göring - Kunst und Korruption im "Dritten Reich".
Gebr. Mann Verlag; Berlin; 2009
Best regards
Torsten
Re: Major Frankenberg
Hi Torsten - then it may be one of these:
FRANKENBERG, Albert. (DOB: 20.03.18). 01.07.43 promo to Oblt.(Kr.O./Ln.). 01.02.45 Oblt. and Chef 11.(mittl.Flugm.Leit-Kp.)/Ln.-Rgt. 231.
FRANKENBERG, Dieter. 01.06.43 in Flugmelde-Mess-Kp. z.b.V. 4, promo to Oblt. 01.02.45 Oblt., appt (acting?) Kdr. III./Fj.Rgt. 2 (15.02.45).
FRANKENBERG, Hans von. 26.07.41 Hptm. and Staka 5.(H)/Aufkl.Gr. 31, WIA in Hs 126 shot up by a fighter near Sabucha/Ukraine.
I remember the story about the statues thrown into the pond or lake by Karinhall, but I read it many, many years ago and forgot the name of the officer.
Larry
FRANKENBERG, Albert. (DOB: 20.03.18). 01.07.43 promo to Oblt.(Kr.O./Ln.). 01.02.45 Oblt. and Chef 11.(mittl.Flugm.Leit-Kp.)/Ln.-Rgt. 231.
FRANKENBERG, Dieter. 01.06.43 in Flugmelde-Mess-Kp. z.b.V. 4, promo to Oblt. 01.02.45 Oblt., appt (acting?) Kdr. III./Fj.Rgt. 2 (15.02.45).
FRANKENBERG, Hans von. 26.07.41 Hptm. and Staka 5.(H)/Aufkl.Gr. 31, WIA in Hs 126 shot up by a fighter near Sabucha/Ukraine.
I remember the story about the statues thrown into the pond or lake by Karinhall, but I read it many, many years ago and forgot the name of the officer.
Larry