Falkenhayn and the Yildirim Group

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Falkenhayn and the Yildirim Group

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Post by Peter H » 27 Jun 2007, 04:18

Split from Sonderkommando Kaiserliche Marine Türkei-Peter


I think Liman von Sanders had more than one daughter with him.This account mentions daughters:
Turkish Col. Hans Guhr say in his book that p.235
"On Nov.4th 1918 Feldmarshal Liman Pasha arrived with his daughters and adjutants at Haydarpasha Railway Station. I went to wellcome him with General von Lenthe and Maj.Lynker...
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I think Falkenhayn was accompanied by his daughter as well.

This photo from the Australian War Memorial website shows his arrival in Constantinople in 1917 with a young girl by his side.
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Post by gallipoli1915 » 27 Jun 2007, 15:39

Liman has two daughters...
Never heard about Falkenhayns's daughter. It is a very interesting picture..
from left to right, Falkenhayn, his daughter, Talat and Mustafa Kemal Paşa... This picture could be taken in south, like Aleppo, Damascus. If this place was Constantinople and this event was his arrival, then this place should be Sirkeci Railway Station, Hauptbahnhof... (See train wagon)

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Post by Peter H » 28 Jun 2007, 02:43

Its most likely Erika von Falkenhayn,who married Henning von Tresckow in 1926.Tresckow was involved in the anti Nazi resistance and died in 1944.
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Post by Tosun Saral » 29 Jun 2007, 08:44

I think Yetkin has right. The place is not Sirkeci Railway Station in Istanbul. It is Haleppo. On the other hand I see Ahmet Cemal Pasha not Talat Pasha on the picture. In 1917 Ahmet Cemal Pasha was in Syria & Palastina Front commandning the 4th Army. I see Ali Fuat Erden near Ahmet Cemal Pasha. The figure just behind the girl seems to be Mustafa Kemal Pasha. But I am not sure.
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Post by gallipoli1915 » 29 Jun 2007, 15:39

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Excuse me, he's Cemal, offcourse, not Talat. But I'm sure, the officer that stands Cemal's left is M. Kemal Paşa...
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Post by Peter H » 29 Jun 2007, 16:50

Falkenhayn first set foot on Turkish soil on the 7th May 1917 for staff discussions.He then returned to Romania,coming back to command Army Group F in late July 1917.He appears to have stayed at Constantinople until August 1917.I think he journeyed to Aleppo around September 1918.

This photo from the AWM also has him visiting Jerusalem September/October 1917.Here he is inspecting German Motor Transport troops of the Asienkorps.Cemal is also in this photo.
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Post by Peter H » 30 Jun 2007, 04:37

Erickson:
Enver was seized with the idea of retaking Baghdad.He intended to accomplish this by forming the Yildirim Ordular Grubunu,or the Thunderbolt Army Group.Enver envisioned this force concentrating in upper Mesopotamia--from there the Yildirim army Group would conduct a grand offensive to retake Baghdad..Halil's Sixth Army would form one component..the second component would be the newly formed Seventh Army...the British,at Baghdad, would be caught in a pincers and would be destroyed..

Around September 1917 this grandiose scheme was called off by the more pressing needs in Palestine:
..Falkenhayn now advocated using the Yilidirim Group to throw the British back across the Suez Canal,before attempting to retake Baghdad..by the middle of September 1917 the ambitious plan to retake Baghdad was consigned to the scrap heap.Enver Pasa..made up his mind to take von Falkenhayn's advice and send the Yildirim army to Palestine first...October 1917..he then assigned both the Seventh and the [new]Eighth Armies to Falkenhayn's Yildirim Group.Falkenhayn also retained command and control of the Sixth Army in Mesopotamia...
Sent to the Gaza-Beersheba line,the Yildirim Group was routed and withdrew into Palestine.Falkenhayn was relieved of command in February 1918,replaced by Liman von Sanders.Falkenhayn ended the war in an adminstrative post in East Prussia.
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Post by Peter H » 30 Jun 2007, 04:44

Tosun Saral wrote:I think Yetkin has right. The place is not Sirkeci Railway Station in Istanbul. It is Haleppo. On the other hand I see Ahmet Cemal Pasha not Talat Pasha on the picture. In 1917 Ahmet Cemal Pasha was in Syria & Palastina Front commandning the 4th Army. I see Ali Fuat Erden near Ahmet Cemal Pasha. The figure just behind the girl seems to be Mustafa Kemal Pasha. But I am not sure.
There was a Council of War at Aleppo in September 1917.Present were Enver,Cemal,Falkenhayn,Ali Faud,Bronsart von Schellendorf,and Kemal(7th Army commander).I think the photo records the preliminaries to that meeting.

Erika von Falkenhayn was the General's youngest child and must have accompanied her father for the trip.
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Post by Peter H » 30 Jun 2007, 05:15

After the Aleppo meeting Cemal did a whirlwind tour of Germany and the Western Front,learning of his relief as commander in Palestine by a telegram from Enver.

Cemal visits the Flanders front.

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Post by Tosun Saral » 30 Jun 2007, 13:11

Maj. Gen. Hans Guhr gives the name of von Sanders doughter as "Melly" in his book (Turkish translation p.164)
" On March 8th Liman inspected the positions. He was very pleased. he lobbed the positions. While we were returning to Attara on horseback he admired the flowers everywhere on the fields. He expressed his deep disappoinment with his daughter Melly that she couldnt have seen such a beautiful panorama due to her absence. I ordered immediately a bunch of Alpina violets for his daughter and requested him to present the bunch to his daughter as a souverier of 1st Div."
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Post by Peter H » 01 Jul 2007, 13:50

From Der Krieg in Wort und Bild.

Falkenhayn in command in Turkey.
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Post by Tosun Saral » 02 Jul 2007, 12:55

Take a look at the boots of Turkish officer receiving orders from Falk.(5th image)
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Post by Peter H » 02 Jul 2007, 13:16

What's the history of these Turkish "sandshoes"?
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Post by Peter H » 02 Aug 2007, 12:56

From The Library of Congress:

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/phpdata/.....ollID=coll

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