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[Armeiro]

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[Kocur]

I don't know what is the weapon in the last pic, but as far as the one in pictures above is concerned the text says it all: it's Sudaev's assault rifle, aka AS-44. Hadn't Sudaev died in 1946 his AS-44 could have been what AK-47 got to be, as it was the most succesful weapon of initial competition for Soviet assault rifle. If I understand the Russian text correctly the particular example was a quick&dirty modification from gas operation to blowback. All other AS-44 were gas operated with long stroke piston/bolt carrier and locked by tilting bolt as can be seen in pics of parts.

[Armeiro]

Thank you.

[Armeiro]

"Alexey Ivanovich Sudayev (Russian: Алексей Иванович Судаев) (August 23, 1912 - August 17, 1946) was a Russian weapons designer. He created the PPS submachine gun and the AS-44 automatic rifle."
...from...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Sudayev

[Armeiro]

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[Armeiro]

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[Ardee]

I don't think I've come across this weapon before. I believe I followed all - or at least most of the links, and did an Internet search -- which seemed to turn up only brief "in-passing" comments. Is this a weapon that actually saw combat in WWII? And if so, how many/to what type troops was it issued? I have had the impression the only "assault rifle" to serve in WWII was the German version, but have also come to appreciate how many truisms turn out...not to be.

[Armeiro]

The Stg44 was the original assault rifle,Adolf gave it the name,the "Sturmgewehr".

[Ardee]

The Stg44 was the original assault rifle,Adolf gave it the name,the "Sturmgewehr"

Hi Armeiro,

Yes, I think we both knew that I knew that. But here is another weapon called an "assault rifle," with '44 designation, and, obviously, of Soviet origin. I didn't know if it was accepted and issued to troops by the Red Army, or if it was a prototype, an experimental model, or (like some other weapons) something that might have been accepted by the Red Army but didn't reach troops before the end of the war, or if it might be something else. I am hoping somebody can tell me something about this gun's history in terms of WWII....

[Armeiro]

The Stg44 was the original assault rifle,Adolf gave it the name,the "Sturmgewehr"

Hi Armeiro,

Yes, I think we both knew that I knew that. But here is another weapon called an "assault rifle," with '44 designation, and, obviously, of Soviet origin. I didn't know if it was accepted and issued to troops by the Red Army, or if it was a prototype, an experimental model, or (like some other weapons) something that might have been accepted by the Red Army but didn't reach troops before the end of the war, or if it might be something else. I am hoping somebody can tell me something about this gun's history in terms of WWII....

...do you have a image of it?
To be a assault rifle,it has to have selective fire(semi-auto and auto fire);a interchangeable magazine with a large capacity(around 30 rounds);and what is the principal and more important feature,it uses a intermediate round(not so weak like a 9mm,but not so strong as a full cartige,so that it can aim shoots and be controllable in full auto).
Some of the rifles that are colled assault rifles,are not.Rifles like the G3 or the FN FAL are just selective fire combat rifles,they use a full cartige,a 7,62mm.

[Rikard Hufschmied]

The Stg44 was the original assault rifle,Adolf gave it the name,the "Sturmgewehr"

Hi Armeiro,

Yes, I think we both knew that I knew that. But here is another weapon called an "assault rifle," with '44 designation, and, obviously, of Soviet origin. I didn't know if it was accepted and issued to troops by the Red Army, or if it was a prototype, an experimental model, or (like some other weapons) something that might have been accepted by the Red Army but didn't reach troops before the end of the war, or if it might be something else. I am hoping somebody can tell me something about this gun's history in terms of WWII....

No, the Avtomat Sudayeva Model 44g never saw action in WW2, it was never formally accepted and issued to troops. Not even the SKS saw service in WW2 other than on a very limited scale. The Soviets were extremely reluctant towards introducing new weapon systems during the last years of the war, all efforts and improvements were put into already proven and in production weapons.

[Ardee]

Thank you Rikard, that was what I wanted to know! And thank you, Armeiro, for trying!

[Armeiro]

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