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I'm asking for help.

Postby kamilkaze » 11 Nov 2017 17:18

Hi,

the pictures of the items I bought from the auction site in Turkey. In your opinion original or fake? Actual values for how much?

Thank you....
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Re: I'm asking for help.

Postby Mark in Cleveland, Tn. » 12 Nov 2017 00:11

IMo rubber stamps,NO
Post card with Ah auto,,,NO

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Postby John G. » 12 Nov 2017 00:56

I agree with Mark.... The Autographed photo, Iron Cross, and both rubber stamps are all fakes of no value. Sorry but these are "pretty bad" as far as stuff goes (a July 20, 1944 Wound badge rubber stamp, no less....awful!). Avoid sensational items like SS or Hitler-related, also avoid stuff easy to reproduce...like rubber stamps. Start "small" and learn what to look for .... you'll save alot of money in the long run.
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Re: I'm asking for help.

Postby von thoma » 12 Nov 2017 01:09

Franco-Prussian War 1870 Iron Cross first class, looks suspicious, it's necessary to see some pictures of reverse ( Hanger and Marks ).
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Re: I'm asking for help.

Postby kamilkaze » 12 Nov 2017 08:46

Thank you so much for your answers. I bought these items from a reliable auction company in Turkey. I believe they are real. They will come to me recently. I will send you detailed pictures. Thanks again for your valuable information.

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Postby John G. » 12 Nov 2017 22:54

Kamikaze,
It's not easy to explain why these are so obviously bad.... the Autograph is not "freehand", it's too "perfect" for a post card signature of which Hitler signed VERY FEW, and the Reichstag cancellation is also highly questionable... Hitler wouldn't be signing Post Cards nor would they be cancelled there in this manner.

The two rubber stamps are also fake.... as I stated, the July 20, 1944 one is ridiculous, while the other is plausible, it too is an Eastern European fake... it shows no use and is extremely easy to make. You can get just about anything in the realm of Rubber stamps.... Complete with vintage handles, off E-Bay.

The 1870 Iron Cross 1st cl. does need closer inspection of the reverse, but EVERYTHING I can see from the photo provided looks BAD to me. The box is wrong, the detail lacking, and aging looks artificial. Plus an 1870 Iron Cross 1st Cl. is VERY RARE and should have commanded a fairly large Bid....

I've been a collector since 1958 and dealer for over 40 years.... it's taken many years and many mistakes to learn what I know about this stuff. If the Auction house is legit, you should be able to return all these items. I would!
Include better pictures of the 1870 Iron Cross (especially the reverse) but no need for better pictures of the other stuff.... nothing will change for them (all being bad I mean)..... more pictures won't help!
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Re: I'm asking for help.

Postby kamilkaze » 13 Nov 2017 20:47

John G. wrote:Kamikaze,
It's not easy to explain why these are so obviously bad.... the Autograph is not "freehand", it's too "perfect" for a post card signature of which Hitler signed VERY FEW, and the Reichstag cancellation is also highly questionable... Hitler wouldn't be signing Post Cards nor would they be cancelled there in this manner.

The two rubber stamps are also fake.... as I stated, the July 20, 1944 one is ridiculous, while the other is plausible, it too is an Eastern European fake... it shows no use and is extremely easy to make. You can get just about anything in the realm of Rubber stamps.... Complete with vintage handles, off E-Bay.

The 1870 Iron Cross 1st cl. does need closer inspection of the reverse, but EVERYTHING I can see from the photo provided looks BAD to me. The box is wrong, the detail lacking, and aging looks artificial. Plus an 1870 Iron Cross 1st Cl. is VERY RARE and should have commanded a fairly large Bid....

I've been a collector since 1958 and dealer for over 40 years.... it's taken many years and many mistakes to learn what I know about this stuff. If the Auction house is legit, you should be able to return all these items. I would!
Include better pictures of the 1870 Iron Cross (especially the reverse) but no need for better pictures of the other stuff.... nothing will change for them (all being bad I mean)..... more pictures won't help!
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Thank you for your valuable information. I will send you detailed pictures near you. I wish my healthy days. If you wish from Turkey I am at your disposal.

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Re: I'm asking for help.

Postby kamilkaze » 15 Nov 2017 20:20

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Postby kamilkaze » 15 Nov 2017 20:22

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Re: I'm asking for help.

Postby kamilkaze » 15 Nov 2017 20:40

I uploaded detailed pictures. I look forward to your valuable comments.

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Re: I'm asking for help.

Postby John G. » 15 Nov 2017 23:15

Kamikaze,
Nothing has changed... the stamps are fake no matter what they are made of (just called "rubber stamps")..... the Golden Party badge is pure junk, nothing like an original.... I appreciate you're desire that they be real, but they are not. If I had the slightest doubts I'd say so....but all this stuff is BAD!
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