Totenkopfverbände watch

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Totenkopfverbände watch

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Post by Eireneutral » 02 Oct 2011, 03:29

[unwanted capital letters changed and the caption corrected to the right spelling (not “Totemkopfverbande”) by this moderator.
Dieter Z.]
http://www.flickr.com/photos/66930626@N ... hotostream
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This watch has been well researched and is authentic, it is engraved A.Moser&co
A very nice relic piece of history, don't you think

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Post by Mark in Cleveland, Tn. » 02 Oct 2011, 22:08

Noticed pics. of 2 different watches in your roll call. If you are happy with this....OK!!!
Was wondering where the RZM/SS runes on back are???


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Re: Totenkopfverbände watch

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Post by Eireneutral » 03 Oct 2011, 01:58

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Hi Mark thanks for your reply they are all of the same watch just the light changed in certain photos, and some are without the glass, as i emailed photos to a watch specialist
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Re: Totenkopfverbände watch

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Post by Mark in Cleveland, Tn. » 03 Oct 2011, 02:39

looked and saw a clock with eagles I guess,the rusted up pic.


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Re: Totenkopfverbände watch

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Post by John G. » 03 Oct 2011, 13:24

Eireneutral,
I'm glad your happy with both of these "NAZI" time pieces.....personally I wouldn't give them shelf space....as I'm sure they are Eastern European current reproduction/fantasy items.....(which have been discussed on several forums previously....), made from "old" vintage time peices but the SS & Nazi eagles are added to make them "rare!".....They have NO Historical value .....

Sorry......more than just IMO.......
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Re: Totenkopfverbände watch

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Post by cpittman » 03 Oct 2011, 16:04

John is, of course, correct; these are absolutely fake.

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Re: Totenkopfverbände watch

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Post by Eireneutral » 03 Oct 2011, 17:21

Please do not denounce things unless you have researched!!!!! but thanks guys for adding to the thread, i suspected the pocket watch a bit hard to believe, so it is still under a lot of research, it has some authenticy to it, and will post a link on that one soon explaining everything that i find out.
The other clock is quite genuine in another sence, so you are wrong on this fully, the eagle is the clock manufacturers logo, but it might not be connected to the military have a read, on the link below, it is still under debate, in fact the army might have adopted the eagle from the clock company.


http://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?t=77 ... rack+clock
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Re: Totenkopfverbände watch

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Post by Eireneutral » 03 Oct 2011, 17:47

Eireneutral wrote:Thanks guys i suspected the pocket watch a bit hard to believe, so it is still under a lot of research, it has some authenticy to it, and will post a link on that one soon.
The other clock is quite genuine, the eagle is the clock manufacturers logo, but it might not be connected to the military, in fact it was used by the clock company before the military adopted it, have a read, on the link below, it is still under a very hisorical debate, here is a much better shot of the eagle http://www.flickr.com/photos/66930626@N ... hotostream
http://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?t=77 ... rack+clock
Lets know what you think after reading this, most of the pics and threads can be viewed by non members it's a free site but the best information on this clock requires you to be logged in to see the old drawings.

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Re: Totenkopfverbände watch

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Post by Mark in Cleveland, Tn. » 04 Oct 2011, 00:30

JohnG.That is what my very first post stated...*** If you are happy***...trying to be more civil in my rants.
I like the ...Herr/Wehrmacht Eagle was copied from clock manufacturer.. :lol: :lol:

I bet these watches/clocks were bought from GermaniaInternational!!!

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Post by Eireneutral » 04 Oct 2011, 02:12

Mark i take it you still did not read this then?

http://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?t=77 ... ntle+clock

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Post by John G. » 04 Oct 2011, 02:26

I'm not a German "Alarm clock" specialist......but I have over 54 years of serious collector experiance and have been a dealer for well over 40 years....The Alarm clock MAY BE original for what it is.....but the SS emblems on the Pocket Watch are a JOKE.....There is NO WAY these stand ANY CHANCE of being original! (The watch IS ORIGINAL, but NOT THE SS emblems on the faceplate!)

Of course, you are free to believe what you want...we can only lead you to water, we can't make you drink! (As they say).....Don't take it personally.....no offense was meant. In my position as moderator, it's my responsibility to give "BAD NEWS" occassionally....I take NO PLEASURE in doing so. I also am human, I make mistakes and have been wrong before....when necessary I'll gladly eat crow, but I'm having chicken tonite!
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Re: Totenkopfverbände watch

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Post by Eireneutral » 04 Oct 2011, 02:47

Hi John
I take no offence i am well used to this, i appreciate your experiece of collecting i am only at it 3 years, but you did dismiss the alarm clock as a fake, to trick tourists or collectors, it is 100 percent original for what it is if you study that link, i provided, and you will be convinced. it is also worth logging into that forum to see all documentation on the eagle, So you should just eat a little chicken for that, with a bit of crow, the clock is not an East European fantasy piece, we all make mistakes like you say, so no worries, under those circumstances you should please hold off with your judgement on this pocket watch i will provide you with a link later from serious watch makers and you can hear their oppinions on it all, i am not saying it is a total genuine piece either, but it is not your ordinary run of the mill fake, it has history to it, and the decals could have been printed, for a special promotion or commemoration either before, or during the war, it is also very possible that you are right and they were added not very long after the war, so stay tuned and we will see what comes back. best wishes. Colm :milwink:

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Post by John G. » 05 Oct 2011, 16:06

I said from the begining that both "clocks" were probably "vintage", but that the "Nazi" embelishments had been added. Initially the photos you posted of the Alarm Clock were "fuzzy" about the eagle detail, and I incorrectly assumed it was a Reichsadler with swastika.....which would have been an added emblem. Seeing the closer picture and reading your links....I might buy that the eagle trademark is original....but it still has NOTHING TO DO WITH historical 3rd Reich Artifacts except to a clock specialist. I don't believe the NSDAP copied this eagle, which didn't come into use until 1936 for this style with the NSDAP....if anything, probably one of those historical coincidences.

As far as the SS Totenkopf Pocketwatch....the SS "decals" (as you call them) are COMPLETELY FAKE!!!!!! NO Watch Expert who knows anything about Third Reich memoribilia would ever say differant.....and anyone with any experiance collecting Militaria would recognize this to be valueless as anything except a pocketwatch (and now even that is spoiled by the fake SS "decals"). It's not a special award, souviner, or promotion....it's made to fool the "NEWBIE", that's all it is.

I did look at some of your other photographs.....I assume you know the helmet is Spanish, do you know about the "#50 Panzer Assault Badge"? I'll comment further if you "don't" ......
John G.

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