Collection of officer dagger, nazi flag, medals including iron cross, and Luger with hard case. Looking

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Collection of officer dagger, nazi flag, medals including iron cross, and Luger with hard case. Looking

Post by Critchy87 » 05 Mar 2018 14:52

Looking for any information I can get on these items. My grandfather fought in the 47th regiment “the raiders” and brought all this back with him it was all from a single officer. On the back of blade where eagle is on front there is a engraving the officer would have done himself hard to read says dr. Heimbock 14355 I believe. The Luger number is 5912 all matching and has a crown above a N stamp on it. We are trying to see if we can get any info on the officer that would have owned this stuff or anything you may be willing to share. Thanks http://s1044.photobucket.com/user/Will_ ... .jpeg.html

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Re: Collection of officer dagger, nazi flag, medals including iron cross, and Luger with hard case. Looking

Post by John G. » 06 Mar 2018 01:52

Quick reply.....
The flag is a typical German swastika national flag...., original and appears in good shape, the German dagger is an Army Officer's dagger....original, the hanger is not properly attached, the short "strap" goes on the top ring and the longer "strap" attached to the middle ring. The knot is also not attached properly either, but it's too complicated to explain.... I'd check "German Army dagger" for a view of how it's supposed to be attached and wrapped. Can't comment on the name and number... chances of finding him are probably pretty slim.

The medal bar is nice, Bavarian style....but most of the medals are not attached to the right ribbons (I assume they are attached with hooks on the back of the bar).... The 1st ribbon (Black w/white stripes) is the 1914 Iron Cross 2nd Cl.; the 2nd medal ribbon is for the Bavarian Military Bravery Cross (Bronze/gilt Crown, swords, and cross); the 3rd ribbon and medal are correct (1914/18 Honor Cross w/swords) and the 4th medal ribbon is for a WW 1 Commemorate medal- the round medal currently in the 1st position. Should be easy to correct.

The Luger Pistol is a 1920s Commercial model.... the "Crown N" proof simply means "Commercial Powder" proof mark, used Post WW1 into the early Nazi period. The magizines COULD also be matching numbers... would increase the value considerably if both are, some if only one matches... and of course, would be a little less if neither matches the gun itself. Holster is called "hard shell" , check to see if the small take-down tool is inside.

The Luger with clips and holster is the "prize" of the lot.... the Army dagger is nice but not uncommon. The medal bar and flag are also common when it come to those sort of items... (not knocking them- they are all very nice items.) Hope this helps.
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Re: Collection of officer dagger, nazi flag, medals including iron cross, and Luger with hard case. Looking

Post by Critchy87 » 06 Mar 2018 02:59

Thank you so much for the reply! Only one of the clips match. Where would the take down tool be inside the case? Is there anywhere you know of that you can look at the names of the people that won these awards? We really had no idea about any of it just that he had brought it back with him and he didn’t talk much about his experience there . Have the papers declaring the captured material says he also brought back a 25 caliber pistol but were still looking for that.
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Will

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Re: Collection of officer dagger, nazi flag, medals including iron cross, and Luger with hard case. Looking

Post by John G. » 06 Mar 2018 21:43

Will,
The take down tool is located in the small "pouch" on the inside flap of the holster- often missing but an added bonus if it's there. The medal bar is all very common medals.... they would not be research-able.

Are there any other marking, especially on the top receiver and toggle, on the Luger? How's the bore? the Holster should also be marked, usually on the reverse side.

These are all fairly common items... typical of what many GIs brought home.... including the Luger which was every GIs souvenir of choice. Still very nice stuff (in the militaria world) and nice heirlooms. Also a decent chunch of change if you decide to part with them (Luger/clips, holster as a package primarily). Knowing exactly who made it and dates are important, especially on a commercial model.
Hope this helps....
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Re: Collection of officer dagger, nazi flag, medals including iron cross, and Luger with hard case. Looking

Post by Critchy87 » 06 Mar 2018 23:42

Thanks so much again John. Found the pouch inside the holster nothing in it. Actually had the gun professionally cleaned and put back
Together x-rayed to make sure bore was fine and has been fired perfect working condition. Don’t have any plans of selling just plan on passing it through the family with the story and the information you have given me. Here are the marks on top the action and toggle on Luger http://s1044.photobucket.com/user/Will_ ... sort=3&o=0
Thanks again
Will

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