Hans Frank dagger?

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Hans Frank dagger?

Post by Mafia123 » 06 May 2020 18:24

Dear experts

Recently acquired this dagger, identified as the Hans Frank dagger
Interested in your opinion about this blade!
thank
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Re: Hans Frank dagger?

Post by Dwight Pruitt » 09 May 2020 00:23

It may be Hans Frank's dagger, but I seriously doubt it's THE Hans Frank. It could also Heinrich Frank, Hanno Frank, Helmut Frank, etc. etc.

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Re: Hans Frank dagger?

Post by Mafia123 » 09 May 2020 18:15

Dwight Pruitt wrote:
09 May 2020 00:23
It may be Hans Frank's dagger, but I seriously doubt it's THE Hans Frank. It could also Heinrich Frank, Hanno Frank, Helmut Frank, etc. etc.
Thank for answer
but on the search for members of the SA, I do not see any of the names listed except Hans, so I think

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Re: Hans Frank dagger?

Post by Michael Miller » 09 May 2020 20:43

Mafia123 wrote:
09 May 2020 18:15
Dwight Pruitt wrote:
09 May 2020 00:23
It may be Hans Frank's dagger, but I seriously doubt it's THE Hans Frank. It could also Heinrich Frank, Hanno Frank, Helmut Frank, etc. etc.
Thank for answer
but on the search for members of the SA, I do not see any of the names listed except Hans, so I think
Millions of men served in the SA and there is no complete listing of members.

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Re: Hans Frank dagger?

Post by Michael Miller » 09 May 2020 20:45

I don't know much about daggers, but I know that as a senior SA-Führer, Dr. Hans Frank was a recipient of the Ehrendolch der SA.
Is this an Ehrendolch or a basic Dienstdolch?

Regarding his SA service:

28.09.1923 SA-Mann
18.12.1931 SA-Gruppenführer
09.11.1937 SA-Obergruppenführer

28.09.1923-09.11.1923 Joined the SA, assigned to II. SA-Bataillon/SA-Regiment München.
08./09.11.1923 Participated in the “München-Putsch”.
00.00.1931-00.00.1931 Leiter of Unterabteilung III in the Quartiermeisterstab der OSAF.
18.12.1931-13.04.1932 Granted SA rank as an SA-Führer z. V. and assigned as Chef of the Rechtsabteilung in the Obersten SA-Führung.
20.04.1933-14.01.1934 Assigned as an SA-Führer z. V. to the Stab der Obersten SA-Führer.
15.01.1934 Appointed as Referent of Abteilung VI in the Stab der Obersten SA-Führer.
27.07.1934-30.11.1936 (?) Appointed as an SA-Ehrenführer with the rank of SA-Gruppenführer and attached to the staff of SA-Gruppe Hochland (München).
30.11.1936-00.05.1945 (?) Transferred to the active SA-Führerkorps and assigned as an SA-Führer z. V. to SA-Gruppe Hochland (with effect from 01.11.1936). Of his SA membership, he stated the following during interrogation at Nürnberg on 01.09.1945:

"I had no [SA] duties. I had the right to wear the uniform… Because in former years I had defended many trials for members of the SA… I only wore the uniform at special occasions during marches of the SA. If I have worn it often, I have worn it ten times." (“Interrogation Records Prepared for War Crimes Proceedings at Nuernberg, 1945-1947/OCCPAC Interrogation Transcripts and Related Records: Frank, Hans”; Publication Number M1270, Record Group RG238)

20.04.1942-00.01.1945 Führer der SA im Generalgouvernement (Leader of the SA in the General-Government).

00.00.1934 Ehrenzeichen des 9. November 1923 (Blutorden) (Nr. 532, mit Wirkung vom 09.11.1933)
00.01.1934 Ehrendolch der SA
00.02.1934 Ehrenwinkel für alte Kämpfer


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Re: Hans Frank dagger?

Post by Mark in Cleveland, Tn. » 10 May 2020 00:48

Hmm based on the op's comments, I am going to say. think this new member with 2 posts is catfishing members. I mean, and we long time members see this pattern quite a bit on this and other froums. A newbie posts an ultra rare and one of a kind piece in his very first post? and then gets kind of defensive when the relic is questioned. You guys get what I mean.Soo, I call bullcrap on this piece and the post.
and of course not all stuff that all of a sudden com,es out of East Europeids fake or a scam, but??????????

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Re: Hans Frank dagger?

Post by Xavier » 11 May 2020 23:41

I concurr with Mark.
also, a piece for such a persona would be at least hand engraved, not crudely stamped in non germanic font.

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Re: Hans Frank dagger?

Post by Mark in Cleveland, Tn. » 12 May 2020 01:18

Spot on assessment Xavier,, and an FYi I have been thinking about this relic, and I recall it being presented way back on I think GDF and WAF, and recall the BS and the reply from a member about the font as you posted Xavier.He had said the same **non Germanic font* and he went on to say it looked modern

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Re: Hans Frank dagger?

Post by von thoma » 19 May 2020 00:24

Is this an Ehrendolch or a basic Dienstdolch ?
That's a common SA Dienstdolch...Why Frank should to use a simple dagger model being himself a SA high leader,
and less to mark his personal name on the crossguard. Has no sense. Frank was not very fond of being seen
wearing the SA uniform, preferring government uniforms according to their rank of minister


Below is the special design for a SA Honour dagger ( early model 1935 ), later in 1938 was retouched, and a chain was added ;

SA Honour dagger.jpg
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