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german gear question

Post by Domagoj » 21 Jan 2004 22:01

Hallo, I have an little collection of german WW2 militaria.About these few items on the pics, I can't tell if they are WW2 german or what?
So please if somebody with good experience has some opinion, let me know.
I think that this ammo pouch for riffle is post war yugoslavian, and belt looks like post war german, for mess tin, I think it is WW2 german?
P.S.I payd for these things about 20$
Thanks, Domagoj, Croatia
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Post by Dunkirchen1940 » 21 Jan 2004 22:22

The mess kit may be, but the belt is post-war West German and the ammo pouch is for a Turkish Mauser.

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Post by Domagoj » 22 Jan 2004 01:18

Thanks, I think that this ammo pouch is yugoslav army pouch for M-48 which is similar to Mauser mod 98.Could it be?

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Post by Bjørn A. » 22 Jan 2004 01:24

Hi I'm not so sure about the mess tin either. I'll post some pictures of some of mine tomorrow for comparisment. (right now I'm too tired) I can see ceveral differences on this mess tin, in comparisment to a original ww2 mess tin.
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Post by cannon » 22 Jan 2004 02:30

The mess kit is incorrect and is not ww2 German, it should have the loop for the strap on the top of the lid handle and on the bottom of the handle. Sometimes the bottom handle loop could be removed or broken off as it should be riveted to the handle. More times than not original ww2 mess kits always come maker marked on the lid and sometimes on the bottom pot part. This kit pictured is more than likely a post war German issue. The brown leather pouch could be for the M48 Yugo rifle as well as many other countries equipment.

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Post by Dunkirchen1940 » 22 Jan 2004 16:52

You are right. That mess kit is wrong. I don't know why I did not pay more attention to detail.
Here is my Dad's original matching example from 1944 which he got 4 months ago at a barn sale for $0.50.
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Post by Bjørn A. » 22 Jan 2004 21:20

Hi. Now that's more like it. Your father got that one really cheap, Dunkirchen. It's a very nice original example. It almost look unissued.
Anyway, I promised some reference pictures of mess tins from my collection. I've also taken some pictures of markings, that are sometimes found on the side of the kit. Here goes.
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Post by Bjørn A. » 22 Jan 2004 21:26

Here's one kit that I have, where the top strap loop is not present. It is still a original example, as the strap loop have simply broken off.
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Post by Domagoj » 22 Jan 2004 22:06

Thank You guys for answers.I don't know who else was making such mess tins.I have an original german upper part of the mess tin (that part with handle) which has longer handle than it is on this from the pic.It also has those strap loops on it.My mess tin doesn't have any markings.Does any of You have something like that for sale??
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Post by Bjørn A. » 23 Jan 2004 00:22

Hi. I have seen identical mess kits with (what I belive is) Finnish markings. They were almost identical to the german ones exept from the markings, that was found on top of the lid.
Domagoj, I have sendt you a PM.
The mess tins are not that hard to find, but the utillity straps/leather straps (original) for them are significant harder to come by. They tend to cost just as much as the mess kit itself.
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mess kit questions??

Post by wehrmacht re-enactor » 25 May 2004 04:33

Hi, I've got a question on my mess kit. My top part says HRE .44

And my bottom part of the mess kit has no markings on it, i've sanded a little bit of both sides of the mess tin and can't find no date or mark, does that mean it's postwar or did some mess kits come without dates or maker marks?

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Post by Domagoj » 26 May 2004 08:56

Hallo Dave, some mess-tins didn't have any markings at all, it depends on where they were produced.If it has markings with 44 on the top part, on the handle, than it means that it is produced in 1944.It also can have markings on the bigger part, on the side, just like on Bjorn's examples.
Post some pics if You can
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Re: german gear question

Post by Angus1235 » 17 Aug 2018 17:19

The mess kit is Bulgarian, which in turn was based on wartime italian.
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