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British Union of Fascists militaria

Post by Claymore » 03 Dec 2004 22:34

[Split from "British Union of Fascists items wanted"]



Hi Kristijan,

Can't help you with any BUF pieces, I only have a few items myself which are not for sale.

Do you know that there is a new book about to be published very soon called:

'Mosley's Men in Black: Uniforms,Flags and Insignia of the British Union of Fascists 1932-1940 & Union Movement'

This will be the only reference book on this subject worth owning. Keep an eye on Amazon, they have it listed already.

Regards.

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Post by Kristijan » 04 Dec 2004 00:50

Hi,
Yes,i know about new book,it should be published soon.I expect that this book will help me and other BUF collectors to get some infos about this scarce items since 'till now only Jamie Cross book was dealing with BUF items and memorabilia.

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Post by Atomvinter » 04 Dec 2004 18:12

That book sounds Interesting!
Do you now were I can read more about it?
So far I only got a BUF member badge but it will be more!

There is another book I think would me good for collectors:
Blackshirts on Sea by J.A.Booker
Anyone got an opinion on that book? You can read about it here
http://www.oswaldmosley.com/books.htm

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Post by Kristijan » 04 Dec 2004 18:35

I have "Blackshirts on sea".It is great book with great informations and lots of photos from BUF summer camps.

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post-war badge

Post by helmsman » 07 Dec 2004 13:05

Someone is selling some Mosley badges on ebay, included is what is described as a 1970's Union Movement badge.. Can anyone tell me if this is genuine or just a recent copy, as the flash looks wrong. There is also a red, blue and silver badge which is supposed to be a from an original pre-war dye, however, once again the flash is strange.
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Post by Claymore » 08 Dec 2004 00:01

Hello helmsman,

Stay well away from these badges, they are quite obviously modern fakes. And any badge that is classed as made from 'an original pre-war dye' is not, in my opinion, worth spending any money on.
Save your money until you get the chance to buy a genuine piece from the correct period in time.

I have seen this Flash & Circle cut-out stick pin...the Flash in just too wide to be genuine.

Also seen a BUF shield badge, again another fake, and a poor one at that..

The enamel appeared to be sunken into the badge instead of laying smooth and flat, and the fasces emblem in the middle was not very well defined and it looked to be coloured silver, which it should not be.

Ebay may be good for certain things, I always find that you can pick up very interesting books at a great price, but for this kind of badge, don't bother wasting your money here.

Regards.

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Fakes

Post by helmsman » 08 Dec 2004 10:49

Thanks Claymore, you more or less confirmed what I thought.

I have a chrome flash & circle lapel badge but it's nothing like the one on ebay, the problem is that if you haven't seen a badge you know 100% for sure that's it's an original, there is no yardstick to compare it with. To be fair the seller on ebay states that the shield badge is 'probably' a commemorative piece, but did such a thing ever apear. If as he says these badges were produced in the 1970's/1980's then why haven't they been seen before, in the time I've been collecting I've visited numerous militaria fairs etc, but this is the first time I've seen any of this design.

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More fake badges

Post by helmsman » 19 Dec 2004 17:02

Here are photos of two more of the fake B.U.F./ U.M. badges being sold on Ebay.
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And another

Post by helmsman » 19 Dec 2004 17:03

A second fake.
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Post by Kristijan » 19 Dec 2004 17:42

This original badge is latest addition to my collection!
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Nice badge

Post by helmsman » 19 Dec 2004 17:49

Thanks for showing us the badge Kristijan.

With so many fakes floating around it's nice to see an original piece for a change!

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More fakes

Post by helmsman » 21 Dec 2004 22:53

Another fake or probably invention being sold through Ebay. Described as a 'modern' silk tie with bullion B.U.F. emblem
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Close up of tie

Post by helmsman » 21 Dec 2004 22:55

B.U.F. copy/fake tie being sold as a modern item AT THE MOMENT !
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Post by Bjørn from Norway » 22 Dec 2004 10:08

Hello!
The only place I know where you sometimes can find these items, are at the shop of Jamie Cross: http://www.thirdreichmedals.com/

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Post by Kristijan » 22 Dec 2004 19:16

Helmsman,thanks for info.I contacted seller,and he told me that tie is only few months "old".

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