Seeking info of General Wang Buching-Wang Jingwei Goverment

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Seeking info of General Wang Buching-Wang Jingwei Goverment

Post by Christian W. » 21 Sep 2007 14:57

I am trying to find information of General Wang Buching, a Chinese general who commander the army of the Wang Jingwei Government - a Chinese goverment which collaborated with Japanese.

I am not expecting detailed biography but I would be thankful for any information since I don't even have his dates of birth and death.
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Post by Windward » 22 Sep 2007 14:48

Where did you find this name? This list in Wikipedia?

There are so much mistakes in that list, for example, Wu Peifu was not a collaborator. And there's no "National Army" in Wang Jingwei government. Its military force was called "Heping Jun", "Peace Army".

well, according to the position of his name on the Wikipedia list, I assume this guy was in high position. But find no man bear same name or approximate name as "Wang Buching". The minister of Military Affairs was Bao Wenyue, minister of Navy was Ren Yuandao, chief of general staff was Yang Kuiyi, chief of the department of military training was Xiao Shuxuan.

The commander of 1st army of "Heping Jun" was also Ren Yuandao, and Sun Liangcheng for the 2nd army.



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Post by Christian W. » 23 Sep 2007 05:21

Where did you find this name? This list in Wikipedia?


Exactly

There are so much mistakes in that list, for example, Wu Peifu was not a collaborator. And there's no "National Army" in Wang Jingwei government. Its military force was called "Heping Jun", "Peace Army". well, according to the position of his name on the Wikipedia list, I assume this guy was in high position. But find no man bear same name or approximate name as "Wang Buching".


I expected there to be errors, although I belived that Wang Buching would be a real person (not that he couldn't be, but this lack of information is starting to worry me).

..chief of general staff was Yang Kuiyi...The commander of 1st army of "Heping Jun" was also Ren Yuandao, and Sun Liangcheng for the 2nd army.


Can you provide these persons dates of birth and death and perhaps some extra information?

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Post by Windward » 23 Sep 2007 16:53

Christian W. wrote:Can you provide these persons dates of birth and death and perhaps some extra information?

Yang Kuiyi (杨揆一) 1885-1946 born in Hubei Prov
joined Hupei (Hubei) New Army in 1903
joined an IJA military academy in 1912
secretary-general of Hubei Province in 1938
joined Wang's regime in 1939
excuted in Nanking in 1946

Ren Yuandao (任援道) 1890-1980 born in Jiangsu Prov
joined Beiyang Army in Qing Dynasty
joined the 1911 Nationalist revolution
member of 冀察政务委员会 Jicha Zhengwu Weiyuanhui ("committee of politic affairs of Hebei and Chahar provinces", de facto government of these two provinces)
comander of Beiping-Tientsin (Beijing-Tianjin) garrison in the late 1930s
gathered three old torpedo boats and around 10,000 KMT soldiers in 1937, then joined Liang Hongzhi's "Weixin Zhengfu" ("Reform Government", a puppet regime in Eastern China and predecessor of Wang's government)
joined Wang's government in 1939
established relation with Juntong (ROC's top intelligence agency) in 1943, and helped Nationalist government to avoid communist take over of lower Yangtze provinces after Japanese surrender
fled to Hong Kong in 1946(?) by bribe custom policemen before Nationalist government arrest him
fled to Canada in 1949 before communist take over of China
died in Canada in 1980

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Post by Windward » 23 Sep 2007 17:10

Bao Wenyue (鲍文樾), 1892-1980, born in Liaoning Prov
arrested by KMT after Japan surrender
was took to Taiwan with some other collaborators in 1949
died in Taipei in 1980


Xiao Shuxuan (萧叔萱)


Sun Liangcheng (孙良诚) 1893?-1951, born in Tianjin
joined the Northwest Army, retired in 1928 after it was defeted by Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalist Army
appointed as commander of guerillas in Shandong, Hebei and Chahar provinces in 1937
surrendered to Japanese army in 1940
surrendered to China's Nationalist army in 1945
surrendered to communist army in 1948
surrendered to Nationalist army again, after be sent to Nationalist controled area, to lure his old colleagues surrender to communist
surrendered to communist army again in 1949 in Shanghai
arrested by communist in 1950
died in prison in 1951

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Ren Yuandao

Post by Jerry Asher » 23 Sep 2007 20:13

Hi windward and many thanks for your posts:

In re Ren Yuandao:

do you have any details of his leadership in 1937 dates of events? and gathered of "three old torpedo boats" when and where? Guessing, Tianjin, Daku, Chindwatao.

Have a great week.

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Post by Windward » 24 Sep 2007 05:47

Jerry Asher wrote:Hi windward and many thanks for your posts:

In re Ren Yuandao:

do you have any details of his leadership in 1937 dates of events? and gathered of "three old torpedo boats" when and where? Guessing, Tianjin, Daku, Chinhwatao.

Have a great week.


Zhenjiang, the Dian Lei Xuexiao (torpedo school) of the central navy

some resources say it's three gun boats, not torpedo bots :?

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Wang Pu-ching = Wang Buching

Post by asiaticus » 28 Sep 2007 08:08

There was a Wang Pu-ching in command of a Pacification Army of 8,000 men in vicinity of Wuhan according to a 1943 listing of Nanking Puppet forces in a British Mar. 17, 1943 intel report, listed in Jowetts Rays of the Rising Sun. Pu-ching in the old idiom would be Buching now. Maybe its this guy.

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Post by Windward » 07 Nov 2007 19:20

http://sonicbbs.eastday.com/topicdispla ... ID=2162268

with some interesting pictures showed uniforms and equipments of Wang Jingwei's regime

the fifth picture in the first post is Ren Yuandao

the second post shows navy ministry, naval cadets and sailors


* the copyrights of these pictures are expired according to PRC and ROC laws (they were property of illegal puppet regime, and more important, more than 50 years passed after their first publication)


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Post by mars » 07 Nov 2007 21:35

Xiao Shuxuan (萧叔萱) was minister of Army of the Wang JinWei government, after Japan surrendered, he was one of those collaborators who prefered to surrendered to Communist, however he was ambushed and killed by some ex "Heping Jun" soldiers led by ROC's intellegence officer Zhou Gao

There was another very interesting figure, Wu HuaWen (吴化文), who was a minor warlord in the 30's, in the sino-japanes war, he was commander of New 4th division of Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalist Army,in Januray 1943, his division was surrounded by Japanese, instead of trying to break out, he decided to defect to Japanes with the entire division, some of his officers disagreed, but he told them "To remain in power, we need our troops, without them, we are nobody, you see, now we defect to Japanese, if Japanese won the war, by working for them, we have a good future, if Japanes lost, I predict a civil war between Chiang Kai-shek's National government and Communist would soon break out, so if then we surrender Chiang WITH OUR TROOP, he would treat us well, and we will still have a good furture, and if then thing did not go well, we could defect to communist, Communist would glad to have us as an example to encourgae other defect to them,so we again would have a good future. No matter what would happen in the furture, we always would win if we could have our troops intact". General Wu did exactly as he said, he surrendered to Japanese, was rewarded as commander of the Third Front in the "He Ping Jun", after Japanese surrendered, he surrendered to Chiang, and was promoted (!!!) to commander of 96th army corps, he defected to Communist, again with his troop, in 1948 after was defeated in the battle of Jin Nan, province capital of Shan Dong province, as he predicted, Communitist wanted to use him as an example to encourage other high rank officers of Nationalist Army to defect, he was treated very well, and even he killed many fellow chinese in the time he served for Japanese, he lived a happy life after Communist took over China, and died by natual cause in 1962

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