Long March: The true story behind a myth

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Re: Long March: The true story behind a myth

Post by HC8604 » 26 Oct 2010 22:46

Peter H wrote:So if you click on the link and click on the photo the documentary doesn't play?
Right, it gives me this:

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Re: Long March: The true story behind a myth

Post by michael mills » 27 Oct 2010 00:32

South,

I am afraid you are mistaken. Otto braun was an entirely different person from Mikhail Gruzenberg alias Borodin, although both were Comintern agents sent to China to organise the Communist Party there.

Here is some information on Otto Braun:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Braun_(Li_De)

I have read the book about Borodin, and from memory he fled from China across the Gobi desert in 1927, after Jiang Jieshi turned against his Communist allies.

Otto Braun did not arrive in China until 1932, after he had graduated from the Frunze Military Academy in the Soviet Union.

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Re: Long March: The true story behind a myth

Post by South » 27 Oct 2010 06:55

Good morning Michael,

Wasn't making a mistake..... I offered Borodon's name as a possible personality representing "Braun". Again, I did not know and still don't. I'm just unsettled about a German leading this force.......accepting that this could still be possible.

Appreciate link. Will glance at it this AM.

Yes, Borodin fled China across the Gobi to Mongolia.

The Communist Part of China was organized well prior to Borodin's presence. The best book discussing the early Chinese Communist Party that I've run across is:

THE ORIGINS OF CHINESE BOLSHEVISM, Michael Y.L. Luk, 1990, ISBN: 0-19-584209-X



Warm regards,

Bob

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Re: Long March: The true story behind a myth

Post by Peter H » 27 Oct 2010 08:21

Something on Borodin,Kuibyshev,Blucher,Soviet advisers to Chiang in the 20s:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 1&t=159694

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Re: Long March: The true story behind a myth

Post by Peter H » 27 Oct 2010 08:33

Another German speaking Comintern adviser to the CCP was Manfred Stern:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manfred_Stern

Jung chang relates that Braun was given a Chinese 'wife' who bore him a son--"the boy had dark skin,closer in colour to that of a Chinese than a white person's which prompted Mao to crack a joke:"Well,this defeats the theory of the superiority of the Germanic race."

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