Two photos: Weapons ID?

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Two photos: Weapons ID?

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Post by Ardee » 18 Jun 2008, 19:29

From e-bay, described as being taken "in the 1930s." Can anybody provide a positive ID of the artillery pieces and the LMG being used? And -- is that top photo's soldier's helmet an early Russian, Swiss, or what? Any help appreciated...
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Re: Two photos: Weapons ID?

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Post by Ardee » 23 Jun 2008, 19:34

I found another version of the top photo, with an attached caption identifying the weapon as the Neuhausen KE7 LMG. I never saw a picture of the gun with a mag loaded before.... Anybody have thoughts re the artillery?
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Re: Two photos: Weapons ID?

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Post by Edward Chen » 23 Jun 2008, 22:32

75mm L13 infantry howitzers made by the Dutch firm H.I.H. Siderius.

http://www.overvalwagen.com/HIHSiderius4.html

Hope this helps,

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Post by Ardee » 24 Jun 2008, 00:07

Thank you, Edward Chen! The image on the link page looks as if it could be the same gun and crew, photographed just a few moments apart!

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Post by Puska 35.M » 02 Feb 2010, 00:16

The top photo is not the KE-7, but the ZE-70:
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Re: Two photos: Weapons ID?

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Post by Sturm78 » 02 Feb 2010, 13:31

Hia ll,

I found this image on AXH forum, Japanese section: japanese with captured chinese weapons
Could someone identify them?

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Re: Two photos: Weapons ID?

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Post by YC Chen » 03 Feb 2010, 04:48

The HMG is a Browning. I don't know about the mortars, but maybe they are 81mm or 82mm.

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Post by Sturm78 » 04 Feb 2010, 13:28

Thank you WestSand,

Nobody for mortars?? :(

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Re: Two photos: Weapons ID?

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Post by SASH155 » 05 Feb 2010, 19:29

Probably local copies of the Brandt 81mm Mle. 1927/31. The baseplates are unusual in that they have a bent profile (probably to help the weapon dig in better when fired). The MG may be a local unauthorized copy of the Colt commercial "M-1919" Browning water cooled HMG-see my doc. on Chinese armaments.

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Re: Two photos: Weapons ID?

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Post by Sturm78 » 10 Jun 2010, 15:26

Hi all,

Can somebody identify this chinese coastal gun?
According to photocaption the image was taken in Shanghai.

It will be well received any information about Chinese coastal defenses in the 20s and 30s

Image from AXH Forum, Japan at War 1895-1945 section.
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Post by YC Chen » 14 Jun 2010, 03:21

Look at Peter H's photo and my posts here on Shanghai 1932 thread, maybe they can give some ideas:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 5&start=60
And here is another photo I found on a Chinese site:
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Re: Two photos: Weapons ID?

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Post by YC Chen » 14 Jun 2010, 03:59

Photos of a Japanese naval gun(?) in a Chinese museum.
http://hiphotos.baidu.com/kkkfj1/pic/it ... 51b9d6.jpg
http://hiphotos.baidu.com/kkkfj1/pic/it ... 38c2d6.jpg
Are they the same?

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Re: Two photos: Weapons ID?

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Post by YC Chen » 16 Jun 2010, 11:08

Sorry, the photos can't work.
Here is the link to my album:
http://hi.baidu.com/kkkfj1/album/%C4%AC ... E1/index/1

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Re: Two photos: Weapons ID?

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Post by SASH155 » 16 Jun 2010, 15:56

These two guns seem to have Schneider-Creusot breech rings and interupted screw breech blocks with the typical Schneider breech block lever over the top of the block carrier.

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Post by YC Chen » 17 Jun 2010, 11:05

Thanks, but what do you mean by saying "these two guns"? Do you mean the guns in Shanghai or the Japanese(?) gun in the museum?
In fact, the two museum photos are of the same gun.
Here I reduce the size of the photos and post them so you don't need to go to my album.
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