MG 42 and StG 44 in China?

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Re: MG 42 and StG 44 in China?

Postby YC Chen » 09 Nov 2010 14:19

Well, maybe you guys don't really understand my opinion. My opinion is: China didn't produce any MG 34, but some were used by Chinese army before 1949.
Although some Chinese sources state that PLA asked Soviet Union for some captured German weapons in 1946, but I don't think PLA got any during the Civil War. There are some late-WWII German weapons in Chinese museums, and I believe the saying that they were purchased from Soviet in 1950s for training purpose.
Maybe these MG34s showing in document photos and being used by PLA are from Europe or North Africa(KMT bought some weapons from Europe after WWII, like the M-10 tank destroyers, etc), I don't know.

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for training purpose

Postby Dave Bender » 09 Nov 2010 16:34

I find that difficult to believe since the MG34 was one of the best machineguns in the world right up into the 1960s. If the PLA acquired MG34s in quantity they would almost certainly be used in places like Korea.

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Re: for training purpose

Postby YC Chen » 10 Nov 2010 11:08

Dave Bender wrote:I find that difficult to believe since the MG 34 was one of the best machineguns in the world right up into the 1960s. If the PLA acquired MG 34s in quantity they would almost certainly be used in places like Korea.

I don't mean MG 34s, I mean some earlier weapons, like PAK 38 5cm AT guns, 7.5cm infantry guns, etc. which can be found in some Chinese museums. I think PLA didn't have these until 1950s. However, I believe PLA captured a number of MG34s from KMT and then put them back into service, as showed by the Shanghai 1949 photo.
I don't know if PLA used any MG 34s in Korea-maybe there were some.

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Re: MG 42 and StG 44 in China?

Postby HC8604 » 12 Nov 2010 02:29

I still don't think the KMT had the MG 34 to begin with.

I am skeptical on the date of the picture from the book. But as Dave said, there would have been reports of them being used in Korea or maybe they did not want to use it because it was a prized weapon??

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Re: MG 42 and StG 44 in China?

Postby Candybag » 01 Mar 2017 15:18

Russia asked communist China if they need some 79 cal. anti-air-MG, August 1949.
China asked for 360 units, with ammo.
At least 310 units received by the communist force, which was going to Korea.
The others, 50 units, maybe keep in China mainland. Maybe the one in that photo Shanghai 1949.

The 79 cal. anti-air-MG very likely the MG34 or MG42.
Other report shows that the ammo produced by KMT not fit for the MG34.

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Re: MG 42 and StG 44 in China?

Postby YC Chen » 06 Mar 2017 09:01

Candybag wrote:Russia asked communist China if they need some 79 cal. anti-air-MG, August 1949.
China asked for 360 units, with ammo.
At least 310 units received by the communist force, which was going to Korea.
The others, 50 units, maybe keep in China mainland. Maybe the one in that photo Shanghai 1949.

The 79 cal. anti-air-MG very likely the MG34 or MG42.
Other report shows that the ammo produced by KMT not fit for the MG34.


Interesting account. Could you provide the source please?

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Re: MG 42 and StG 44 in China?

Postby Candybag » 18 Mar 2017 17:32

YC Chen wrote:
Candybag wrote:Russia asked communist China if they need some 79 cal. anti-air-MG, August 1949.
China asked for 360 units, with ammo.
At least 310 units received by the communist force, which was going to Korea.
The others, 50 units, maybe keep in China mainland. Maybe the one in that photo Shanghai 1949.

The 79 cal. anti-air-MG very likely the MG34 or MG42.
Other report shows that the ammo produced by KMT not fit for the MG34.


Interesting account. Could you provide the source please?


Maybe you won't like it.
http://bbs.tiexue.net/post_7891277_1.html

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Re: MG 42 and StG 44 in China?

Postby YC Chen » 23 Mar 2017 18:13

Candybag wrote:
YC Chen wrote:
Candybag wrote:Russia asked communist China if they need some 79 cal. anti-air-MG, August 1949.
China asked for 360 units, with ammo.
At least 310 units received by the communist force, which was going to Korea.
The others, 50 units, maybe keep in China mainland. Maybe the one in that photo Shanghai 1949.

The 79 cal. anti-air-MG very likely the MG34 or MG42.
Other report shows that the ammo produced by KMT not fit for the MG34.


Interesting account. Could you provide the source please?


Maybe you won't like it.
http://bbs.tiexue.net/post_7891277_1.html


Thanks a lot!

I don't know why I would not like it... I think this arguement is quite reasonable :wink:
So it is highly possible that most(if not all) MG34s in Mainland China were from Russia.

However, if you take a look at the very first post of this topic, you would see that there were MG42 in Taiwan. What's more, in fact I have got a MG42 manual published in Taiwan in 1950s in my collection. So it is highly possible that, in Taiwan, the KMT forces also got some MG42s. The origin of those Taiwanese MG42s are still unknown, at least to me.

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Re: MG 42 and StG 44 in China?

Postby Candybag » 28 Mar 2017 13:05

YC Chen wrote:
Candybag wrote:
YC Chen wrote:
Candybag wrote:Russia asked communist China if they need some 79 cal. anti-air-MG, August 1949.
China asked for 360 units, with ammo.
At least 310 units received by the communist force, which was going to Korea.
The others, 50 units, maybe keep in China mainland. Maybe the one in that photo Shanghai 1949.

The 79 cal. anti-air-MG very likely the MG34 or MG42.
Other report shows that the ammo produced by KMT not fit for the MG34.


Interesting account. Could you provide the source please?


Maybe you won't like it.
http://bbs.tiexue.net/post_7891277_1.html


Thanks a lot!

I don't know why I would not like it... I think this arguement is quite reasonable :wink:
So it is highly possible that most(if not all) MG34s in Mainland China were from Russia.

However, if you take a look at the very first post of this topic, you would see that there were MG42 in Taiwan. What's more, in fact I have got a MG42 manual published in Taiwan in 1950s in my collection. So it is highly possible that, in Taiwan, the KMT forces also got some MG42s. The origin of those Taiwanese MG42s are still unknown, at least to me.

MG 42 and StG 44/45 is easy to obtain postwar, many country sold and even can produce some. For research, any gun in museum is reasonable, if not for service. Taiwan it self can produce a wide range of small arms.


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