MG 42 and StG 44 in China?

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Re: MG 42 and StG 44 in China?

Post by Candybag » 18 Mar 2017 17:32

YC Chen wrote:
Candybag wrote:Russia asked communist China if they need some 79 cal. anti-air-MG, August 1949.
China asked for 360 units, with ammo.
At least 310 units received by the communist force, which was going to Korea.
The others, 50 units, maybe keep in China mainland. Maybe the one in that photo Shanghai 1949.

The 79 cal. anti-air-MG very likely the MG34 or MG42.
Other report shows that the ammo produced by KMT not fit for the MG34.
Interesting account. Could you provide the source please?
Maybe you won't like it.
http://bbs.tiexue.net/post_7891277_1.html

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Re: MG 42 and StG 44 in China?

Post by YC Chen » 23 Mar 2017 18:13

Candybag wrote:
YC Chen wrote:
Candybag wrote:Russia asked communist China if they need some 79 cal. anti-air-MG, August 1949.
China asked for 360 units, with ammo.
At least 310 units received by the communist force, which was going to Korea.
The others, 50 units, maybe keep in China mainland. Maybe the one in that photo Shanghai 1949.

The 79 cal. anti-air-MG very likely the MG34 or MG42.
Other report shows that the ammo produced by KMT not fit for the MG34.
Interesting account. Could you provide the source please?
Maybe you won't like it.
http://bbs.tiexue.net/post_7891277_1.html
Thanks a lot!

I don't know why I would not like it... I think this arguement is quite reasonable :wink:
So it is highly possible that most(if not all) MG34s in Mainland China were from Russia.

However, if you take a look at the very first post of this topic, you would see that there were MG42 in Taiwan. What's more, in fact I have got a MG42 manual published in Taiwan in 1950s in my collection. So it is highly possible that, in Taiwan, the KMT forces also got some MG42s. The origin of those Taiwanese MG42s are still unknown, at least to me.

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Re: MG 42 and StG 44 in China?

Post by Candybag » 28 Mar 2017 13:05

YC Chen wrote:
Candybag wrote:
YC Chen wrote:
Candybag wrote:Russia asked communist China if they need some 79 cal. anti-air-MG, August 1949.
China asked for 360 units, with ammo.
At least 310 units received by the communist force, which was going to Korea.
The others, 50 units, maybe keep in China mainland. Maybe the one in that photo Shanghai 1949.

The 79 cal. anti-air-MG very likely the MG34 or MG42.
Other report shows that the ammo produced by KMT not fit for the MG34.
Interesting account. Could you provide the source please?
Maybe you won't like it.
http://bbs.tiexue.net/post_7891277_1.html
Thanks a lot!

I don't know why I would not like it... I think this arguement is quite reasonable :wink:
So it is highly possible that most(if not all) MG34s in Mainland China were from Russia.

However, if you take a look at the very first post of this topic, you would see that there were MG42 in Taiwan. What's more, in fact I have got a MG42 manual published in Taiwan in 1950s in my collection. So it is highly possible that, in Taiwan, the KMT forces also got some MG42s. The origin of those Taiwanese MG42s are still unknown, at least to me.
MG 42 and StG 44/45 is easy to obtain postwar, many country sold and even can produce some. For research, any gun in museum is reasonable, if not for service. Taiwan it self can produce a wide range of small arms.

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Re: MG 42 and StG 44 in China?

Post by Yang » 18 Feb 2023 14:38

It is certain that before the Sino-Japanese War, we had equipped MG30 and MG13.Regarding MG34/42, the earliest purchase intention was in December 1948.In the historical photos of KMT, it can be clearly seen that some KMT troops in 1954 and 1955 were equipped with MG34/42.In CCP, the vast majority of MG34/42 was either given to Vietnam or left to the militia. The last use record image I found shows that in 1962, the militia used MG34 to conduct air defense exercises.
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(MG34 machine gun used by Chinese militia, 1962)
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(KMT Army, 1954)
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(KMT Army,1955)
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(MG30 and MG13 in China)

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Re: MG 42 and StG 44 in China?

Post by MechFO » 09 Mar 2024 16:16

Yang wrote:
18 Feb 2023 14:38
It is certain that before the Sino-Japanese War, we had equipped MG30 and MG13.Regarding MG34/42, the earliest purchase intention was in December 1948.In the historical photos of KMT, it can be clearly seen that some KMT troops in 1954 and 1955 were equipped with MG34/42.In CCP, the vast majority of MG34/42 was either given to Vietnam or left to the militia. The last use record image I found shows that in 1962, the militia used MG34 to conduct air defense exercises.
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(MG34 machine gun used by Chinese militia, 1962)
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(KMT Army, 1954)
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(KMT Army,1955)
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(MG30 and MG13 in China)
April 1938 report by a member of the German training mission in China on the initial fighting, weaponry and tactics.

https://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/de/ ... ect/zoom/6
pages 28-44 lists the various weaponry in use by the Chinese forces.

MG's listed are

Browning
Brünn
Hotchkiss (also also heavy version)
MG13 (Dreyse) in the German AFV's
Maxim (sMG 08, domestic Chinese manufacture)

Infantry munition was manufactured locally, but the more complex types were imported from various European countries.

below are various shippments from Germany to China in 1938. Where specified the goods are from other countries but shipped on German ships.
k= Kiste (Box)

https://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/de/ ... ect/zoom/7

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