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Post by Marcus » 23 Feb 2003, 16:45

Why is the Sino-Japanese War almost totally unknown by the general public today? Most people actually seem to think that everything was peaceful in the Pacific area before Pearl Harbor.

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Post by Marcus » 23 Feb 2003, 16:48

Here is some info on the campaigns of the Sino-Japanese War, provided by Mowalaq for my site:

Note. The first Sino-Japanese War was fought in 1894 between the Ching Empire (China) and Japan. That makes the Sino-Japanese War discussed below the Second Sino-Japanese War.

Phase 1 (1937-1942)

1. Shanghai Campaign (1937)
750.000 Chinese and 250.000 Japanese involved.
Japanese occupied Shanghai.
2. Northern Shansi Campaign (1937)
280.000 Chinese and 200.000 Japanese involved.
Japanese occupied the Northern Shansi.
3. Hsuchow Campaign (1938)
450.000 Chinese and 250.000 Japanese involved
Japanese occupied Hsuchow.
4. Wuchang-Hankou Campaign (1938)
700.000 Chinese and 380.000 Japanese involved
Japanese occupied Wuchang and Hankou.
5. Nanchang Campaign (1939)
300.000 Chinese and 60.000 Japanese involved
Japanese occupied Nanchang.
6. Sui-Tsaoyang Campaign (1939)
220.000 Chinese and 110.000 Japanese involved
Japanese occupied Sui only.
7. First Changsha Campaign (1939)
180.000 Chinese and 90.000 Japanese involved.
Japanese failed to get Changsha.
8. Southern Kuangsi Campaign (1939-1940)
150.000 Chinese and 50.000 Japanese involved.
Japanese withdrew all their invasion troops in Kuangsi.
9. Tsaoyang-Yichang Campaign (1940)
Japanese occupied Yichang.
10. Southern Honan Campaign (1941)
Japanese failed.
11. Shangkao Campaign (1941)
Japanese failed to get Shangkao.
12. Southern Shansi Campaign (1941)
Japanese occupied the Southern Shansi.
13. Second Changsha Campaign (1941)
300.000 Chinese and 150.000 Japanese involved.
Japanese failed to get Changsha again.
14. Third Changsha Campaign (1941-1942)
260.000 Chinese and 170.000 Japanese involved
Japanese failed the third time.

Phase 2 (1942-1945)
(after the Allied Forces appointed Chiang Kai-Shek the Comander-in-chief of China war zone)

1. First Burma War (1942)
10.000 Chinese helped British Burma Corps to prevent the Japanese invasion
from Southern Burma. Japanese occupied Northern Burma. Chinese and British retreated into British India and China.
2. Chekiang-Kiangsi Campaign (1942)
300.000 Chinese and 180.000 Japanese involved
Japanese destroyed several major airfields in the area.
3. Western Hupei Campaign (1943)
Japanese failed to enter Szechuan.
4. Changteh Campaign (1943)
Japanese failed to take over Changteh.
5. Second Burma War (1943-1945)
60.000 Chinese and thousands of Americans helped British to fight back
northern Burma.
6. Central Honan Campaign (1944)
Japanese failed to enter Shaansi.
7. Changsha-Hengyang Campaign (1944)
Japanese successfully occupied Changsha and Hengyang.
8. First Kuangsi Campaign (1944)
Japanese occupied most Kuangsi province.
9. Honan-Hupei Border Campaign (1945)
Japanese failed.
10. Western Hunan Campaign (1945)
Japanese failed.
11. Second Kuangsi Campaign (1945)
Chinese recovered all the Kuangsi province.

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Post by wildboar » 23 Feb 2003, 18:18

Marcus Wendel wrote:Why is the Sino-Japanese War almost totally unknown by the general public today? Most people actually seem to think that everything was peaceful in the Pacific area before Pearl Harbor.

/Marcus
Marcus,

The real reason for ignorance about Sino-Japanese War and japanese war crime is that the victorious allies made some compromise with japanese war criminals specially united states and soviet union so everywhere there is great publicity for nazi warcrimes and nazi war while japanese war and war-crimes ignored

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Post by Andy H » 23 Feb 2003, 21:35

Wildboar

I think its far less to do with conspiracy's of any kind rather the lack of published material available (In the West) and the lack of any visual documentaries/series made on the subject. Also most peoples interests are fired when they are young and through school lessons etc, and in this area, this area of conflict is never mentioned.

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Post by Mike R » 23 Feb 2003, 23:41

Recently I've been trying to find good books about the Chindits, or Merrill's Marauders, or the Japanese invasion into India, or really ANYTHING about the CBI Theater that doesn't concern the Flying Tigers. Any suggestions???

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Post by hohenstaufen » 24 Feb 2003, 13:43

A good book worth checking out is Eyes for the Phoenix Allied Photo-Reconnaissance Operations South-East Asia 1941-1945 by Hikoki Publications. http://hikokiwarplanes.com/phoenix.htm[/list][/url]

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Books on CBI

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Post by Jack Nisley » 26 Feb 2003, 20:13

For 2ndPanzerEnthusiast (Mike)

"Burma: The Longest War" by Louis Allen is very good, but probably hard to find.
The Green Books, the US Army official history of WWII has a three vol. trilogy on the CBI starting with "Stilwell's Mission to China". The US perspective, but good stuff on Merill's Marauders IIRC.
"Defeat into Victory" by Field Marshal Slim is a great book by the man who lost and then reconquered Burma. I think Slim was one of the greatest military leaders of WWII, a great and humble person (opposite of Montgomery), and a talented writer.

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Post by col. klink » 06 Mar 2003, 21:44

2ndPanzerEnthusiast
I found Barbara Tuchman's Stillwell and the American Experience in China a terrific book, like all the other books of hers that I've read. During the war she worked in some government capacity (State Department?) in its China or Asia branch so she had some background in the area. The title of the book may have been changed in later editions. I find Stillwell a fascinating person; he could have been another Patton but because in earlier years he had been posted to China and could speak the language he was sent to the CBI theater which for the American effort was not a high priority and he did not have command of a large number of American forces until he was removed from the CBI and sent to the Pacific.

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Post by philodraco » 11 Apr 2003, 07:46

Marcus Wendel wrote:Why is the Sino-Japanese War almost totally unknown by the general public today? Most people actually seem to think that everything was peaceful in the Pacific area before Pearl Harbor.

/Marcus
I think one of the most important reason that the Sino-Japanese War is almost unknown by the Western public is the Chinese Civil war after the WW2.
Copious numbers of the documents was lost during the civil war; a great deal of person concerned fell not by Japanese but by their communist compatriot.
After the civil war, the orthodox government, the nationalists was defeated by the communist rebels and lost the Mainland China. Because of the hostilities between the both sides, their propaganda always shifts the blame to other shoulders.
Now the present situation is quite improved but no enough, one must be recognized is Although Chinese troops were not active much of the time, many of Japan’s best troops were thusly occupied rather than being sent against Allied force in the pacific of the Burma. So China’s role, though generally neglected, was critical to the Allied victory.

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Post by daveh » 13 Apr 2003, 13:54

If you can find these Ballantine books from the early 1970's
Chindits Long Range Penetration M Calvert ( a Chindit Brigade leader)
Merill's Marauders A Baker

Beyond the Chindwin B Fergusson (leader of a Chindit column)
Sittang: The Last Battle L Allen

IMPHAL Evans Sir Geoffrey

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Post by sharpstorm » 15 Apr 2003, 11:05

http://www.ch815.com
If you think your Chinese is good.
There are many things about the Sino-Japanese War and the Chinese Civil War

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Post by Gott » 15 Apr 2003, 15:20

sharpstorm wrote:http://www.ch815.com
If you think your Chinese is good.
There are many things about the Sino-Japanese War and the Chinese Civil War
Thanks for the site, but I doubt many members will be able to understand what it is talking about.

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Post by Caldric » 15 Apr 2003, 17:28

I do not think it is just China-Japanese war either.

I forgot the British General that told his men in Burma:

"We are not the forgotten army, you have to exist to be forgotten, they do not even know we exist."

Something like that.

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Post by Caldric » 15 Apr 2003, 17:31

Iris Chang "Rape of Nanking" is a good read about information on some Japanese War Crimes.

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Post by sharpstorm » 16 Apr 2003, 09:25

[quote="gott
Thanks for the site, but I doubt many members will be able to understand what it is talking about.[/quote]

I'm a special member there.We have a dream that as many as western people will konw what had happened in China in 1946-1950 as well as in 1937-1945.So we make a plan to get in tunch with you western people to make western pubilc konw those.My English is pool because I am only a freshman in university.So if somebody wanna get in tunch with us ,he can write a E-mail to:
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