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Post by Caldric » 06 Aug 2003 23:43

philodraco wrote:
Andy wrote:I think people totally exaggerate when they talk about the Communist CHinese role in the war. People keep saying the Communists only wanted to expand and they only wanted to fight Chiang and the KMT. That is a lie, they expanded during the war because they did a great job during the war and people started to liked them during that time. They did way better against the Japanese than the Nationalists. The Nationalists were the ones that broke the truce with the communists. I cannot believe when people say that Chiang Kai-shek was a hero, even though he was a warlord who cared only for himselft. I know that Mao was one of the most despicable dictators in history, but he did a great job during the Sino-Japanese War.
Sure, I know Mao had done some job during the Sino-Japanese War.
But in a time of national crisis, the most important job is made people to like them? to peddle themselves? certainly not. is fight the invader to the finish.
In 1944, a Japanese big offencive "operation Ichi-go" was began, the fully developed CCP force was on the flank and rear of the Japanese army.
What did they do?
They allowed the Nationalist Army to exhaust themselves... Mao was a shrewd man, and we all know his humanity was as thin as paper.

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Post by hisashi » 16 Aug 2003 07:19

Perhaps talking about Sino-Japanese War in Japan resembles talking about holocausts in Germany; it is very delicate issue. Everyone becomes somewhat emotional (in any direction), and keeping discussions neutral is very, very difficult. Commercial publications on this issue is extremely difficult; no sensorships, but it might attract severe claims on a few politically wrong words.
My site (English part) has something about Japanese armed forces in every front.
I sign my posts in other forums as Hisashi NAMIKAWA, but in this forum I do not want to reveal my name (laugh).

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Post by philodraco » 17 Aug 2003 18:09

maisov wrote:Perhaps talking about Sino-Japanese War in Japan resembles talking about holocausts in Germany; it is very delicate issue. Everyone becomes somewhat emotional (in any direction), and keeping discussions neutral is very, very difficult. Commercial publications on this issue is extremely difficult; no sensorships, but it might My site (English part) has something about Japanese armed forces in every front.
I sign my posts in other forums as Hisashi NAMIKAWA, but in this forum I do not want to reveal my name (laugh).
Nice to meet you!
Konichiwa Hisashi!
I understand what you say, I am a Chinese and I am living in Kobe Japan for more than 10 years. I have a lot of friend in Japan and I understand how difficult to talking about this miserable war between our forefathars with Japanese people especially young Japanese.

I also hate to attract severe claims on politically wrong words immediatelly, but we must have a bit of courage to face history, and try to understand each other.
I hope there will no war between us.
If possible, please introduce your Japanese site.
hope we can become friend too!
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Post by hisashi » 17 Aug 2003 19:29

philodraco wrote: Nice to meet you!
Konichiwa Hisashi!
I understand what you say, I am a Chinese and I am living in Kobe Japan for more than 10 years. I have a lot of friend in Japan and I understand how difficult to talking about this miserable war between our forefathars with Japanese people especially young Japanese.

I also hate to attract severe claims on politically wrong words immediatelly, but we must have a bit of courage to face history, and try to understand each other.
I hope there will no war between us.
If possible, please introduce your Japanese site.
hope we can because friend too!
Thank you for your understanding. Those who have extreme opinion, or merely an image, reside in every country, of course also in Japan. We must understand each other not to go to extreme.
My japanese site URL is just my English site less -e.
Thanks

Hisashi NAMIKAWA

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Post by Mait » 18 Aug 2003 01:13

By the way - nice site You have.

Best Regards,

Mait.

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Post by hellraiser » 05 Dec 2004 15:17

I think people should be much more educated about the chinese front of world war 2. After all it was, in human suffering, the second most costly front in the war, with 10 million dead chinese civilians, 2,1 million dead chinese soldiers and 400 000 dead japanese soldiers.
Only the eastern front in Europe was more costly with 44 million soldiers and civilans killed.
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Post by zstar » 06 Dec 2004 17:20

Someday i'd like to do more research on this war and perhaps creating an english website dealing with this conflict in more detail.

I think it was more interesting than people make it out to be i mean there were so many twists like puyi becoming the puppet emperor of manchukuo or xi'an incident or the flying tigers or the treachery of wang jingwei and burma road etc.

And it's also a story of human struggle and pain i mean can you imagine one day someday some foreign power invades your country and says right you either surrender or we'll take you down in 6 months but instead we find it lasting for 8 years!

I disagree when people say this war was boring. No country if any had to halt a civil war only to make an uneasy alliance in order to battle a common enemy and fight so many elements and obstacles.

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campaigns of the Sino-Japanese War

Post by asiaticus » 08 Feb 2005 09:43

At the begining of this thread there is a list of campaigns. How about we begin compling info on each of these operations? Particularly the ones before 12/7/1941 that are the least well known.

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Post by zstar » 08 Feb 2005 13:09

http://www.uglychinese.org/war.htm

This is the best site yet in english about the Sino-Japanese war.

It is detalied and pretty comprehensive about Chinese campaigns in the war and even mentions conflicts between the communists and nationialists.

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Post by Larry D. » 08 Feb 2005 16:54

I don't know if this has been mentioned before in this thread, but the best English language resource on the Sino-Japanese war 1937-45 is:

Hsu, Long-hsuen and Chang, Ming-kai (compilers). History of the Sino-Japanese War 1937-1945. 3d revised edition (1985). 642p.

I just obtained a used copy over the internet through ABE Books for about $15.00, so they are available.

--Larry

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Nice site

Post by asiaticus » 08 Feb 2005 23:30

zstar writes:
"http://www.uglychinese.org/war.htm

This is the best site yet in english about the Sino-Japanese war. "


Yes this is great. I had seen some of the refereed material before but this is much mcre complete. Thanks.

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History of the Sino-Japanese War 1937-1945

Post by asiaticus » 08 Feb 2005 23:35

Larry

Does History of the Sino-Japanese War 1937-1945 have maps? Orders of battle, etc.?

Sounds like you lucked out.

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Post by Larry D. » 09 Feb 2005 00:19

Asiaticus -

Dozens upon dozens upon dozens of them. It's a straight forward military history translated and written from the original Nationalist battle history of the war, but that includes all of the relevant and accurate Japanese order of battle material taken from the 102-volume Japanese military history of the Pacific War. It is VERY detailed for a work that covers 9 years of WW II in China.

--Larry

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Post by asiaticus » 09 Feb 2005 08:06

Ok. Well I just ordered one used from a place in LA over the net. I am looking forward to looking it over. With that and Jowats book I think I willl be set in reading material for a while.:^)

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Post by Larry D. » 09 Feb 2005 13:54

When you finish with Philip Jowett's book, let me have your opinion and thoughts on it and in exchange I'll give you some information on a few other works in English that cover the Sino-Japanese struggle, 1937-45.

--Larry

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