Sino-Soviet Border Clash 1929

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Re: Sino-Soviet Border Clash 1929

Post by sarhang » 21 Mar 2012 06:20

An article has been published by the Russian Галея magazine dealing with the capture of Chinese commercial steamboats on the Amur river in July 1929 as an early Soviet response to the Chinese seizure of the KVZhD railway. The circumstances of the capture operations are dealt with in detail. Chinese river fleet losses during the Lahasusu and Fugdin raids of the Amur flotilla are mentioned too.

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Re: Sino-Soviet Border Clash 1929

Post by YC Chen » 21 Mar 2012 14:57

sarhang wrote:An article has been published by the Russian Галея magazine dealing with the capture of Chinese commercial steamboats on the Amur river in July 1929 as an early Soviet response to the Chinese seizure of the KVZhD railway. The circumstances of the capture operations are dealt with in detail. Chinese river fleet losses during the Lahasusu and Fugdin raids of the Amur flotilla are mentioned too.
That's very nice, I wonder how I can get a copy of this.
Is this magazine being sold on the Internet?

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Re: Sino-Soviet Border Clash 1929

Post by sarhang » 22 Mar 2012 18:00

YC Chen wrote: I wonder how I can get a copy of this.
Is this magazine being sold on the Internet?
Please try looking up the Галея's web-page at http://history-magazin.ru/. The contact page is at http://history-magazin.ru/contacts/.
The issue number is Галея №1(3). I'd suggest using it as the e-mail subject title. The article is "Абордаж на Амуре".

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Re: Sino-Soviet Border Clash 1929

Post by PT Dockyard » 24 Jun 2012 01:12

This site looks like it has something on one of the Chinese gunboats

http://bbs.tiexue.net/post2_2514438_1.html

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Here is another site with some more information

http://60.250.180.26/theme/theme-29/29-index7.html

I would love to learn more about the craft involved in both sides and make some 1/600 miniatures of this!!

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Re: Sino-Soviet Border Clash 1929

Post by YC Chen » 24 Jun 2012 12:38

Some very nice information and line drawings of Chinese river gunboats can be found in the new book "Warships of Late Qing Dynasty Navy"(清末海军舰船志) by Chinese naval hstory expert Chen Yue, published in May 2012. Two of the Chinese gunboats that engaged in the naval battle of Sanjiangkou, "Li Sui"(利绥) and "Li Jie"(利捷), were in fact German river gunboats captured by Chinese during WW1.

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Re: Sino-Soviet Border Clash 1929

Post by PT Dockyard » 24 Jun 2012 14:24

Thank you. I will have to check out a book store next time I am in Shanghai!

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Re: Sino-Soviet Border Clash 1929

Post by sarhang » 27 Aug 2012 14:27

:cry:
PT Dockyard wrote:This site looks like it has something on one of the Chinese gunboats...
Here is another site with some more information...
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Thank you, Dave.
Could someone please translate me the following:
1. "江通"艦.
2. 全艦飾的"江通"艦
3. And also the legend of the above posted photo from the Tiexue.Net :cry:
Alex, Russia

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Re: Sino-Soviet Border Clash 1929

Post by sarhang » 28 Aug 2012 17:21

I have stumbled upon reports of hostile encounters between the Soviet Amur flotilla and Chinese Sungari gunboats that occured in 1929 even before the October raid on Lahasusu by the Soviets. At least one case seems to have been a serious gunboat engagement involving considerable fire exchange. Has anyone come upon similar data?

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Re: Sino-Soviet Border Clash 1929

Post by YC Chen » 29 Aug 2012 03:13

sarhang wrote::cry:
PT Dockyard wrote:This site looks like it has something on one of the Chinese gunboats...
Here is another site with some more information...
Dave G
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Thank you, Dave.
Could someone please translate me the following:
1. "江通"艦.
2. 全艦飾的"江通"艦
3. And also the legend of the above posted photo from the Tiexue.Net :cry:
Alex, Russia
"江通"艦 - The warship "Jiang Tong"
全艦飾的"江通"艦 - warship "Jiang Tong" with full dress
Sorry for unkown reason I cannot open the link to Tiexue.net.

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Re: Sino-Soviet Border Clash 1929

Post by sarhang » 29 Aug 2012 16:13

YC Chen wrote: "江通"艦 - The warship "Jiang Tong"
全艦飾的"江通"艦 - warship "Jiang Tong" with full dress
Sorry for unkown reason I cannot open the link to Tiexue.net.
Thank you very much, YC Chen.

So, the third legend goes with the picture:
кан КВжд.jpg
Regarding the Russian article on the 1929 capture of Chinese commercial riverboats on the Amur,
YC Chen wrote: I wonder how I can get a copy of this.
Are you still interested? Now I have a scan of the article.
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Re: Sino-Soviet Border Clash 1929

Post by YC Chen » 30 Aug 2012 13:11

The worlds beneath that photo is just about who uploaded it. I can't remember exactly, but this Manchukuoan(former Fengtian) gunboat must be "Jiang Ping" or "Jiang An" or "Jiang Tong", the only three paddle-wheel gunboats of Manchurian river flotilla.

As for the article - Yes, I'm very interested! I tried to contact the publisher some time ago, but the problem is that they asked me to pay through Wester Union which I don't use, so I didn't buy the magazine. My e-mail address is njtonychen@163.com. Do you want any Chinese articles or some other things for exchange?

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Re: Sino-Soviet Border Clash 1929

Post by sarhang » 30 Aug 2012 19:30

YC Chen wrote:The worlds beneath that photo is just about who uploaded it.
Thank you, YC Chen.
I have just e-mailed you the article.

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Re: Sino-Soviet Border Clash 1929

Post by YC Chen » 31 Aug 2012 03:00

sarhang wrote:
YC Chen wrote:The worlds beneath that photo is just about who uploaded it.
Thank you, YC Chen.
I have just e-mailed you the article.
Thanks, but it seems that it hasn't reached my mailbox yet. Hope it's not too big for my mailbox. :?

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Re: Sino-Soviet Border Clash 1929

Post by YC Chen » 31 Aug 2012 12:23

Sorry but I still haven't received your e-mail. Could you please mail it again?
Maybe you can break it into several parts if it is too big.

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Re: Sino-Soviet Border Clash 1929

Post by sarhang » 31 Aug 2012 19:02

I have broken the file down into nine pages of 300-400 kb and sent you the page 1 as a test. Let us hope now it works.

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