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Re: Need ID Chinese artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 12 Apr 2013 20:12

Hi nuyt,

When this images are dated? Postwar ??

The first howitzer is transported in two separate loads.
I think is also a 15cm Type 4 (M1915) ex-japanese howitzer in transport position.

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Re: Need ID Chinese artillery

Post by ain92 » 12 Apr 2013 21:53

Sturm78 wrote:Hi nuyt,

When this images are dated? Postwar ??

The first howitzer is transported in two separate loads.
I think is also a 15cm Type 4 (M1915) ex-japanese howitzer in transport position.

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Yes, that's it. The barrel, shield and wheels are the same.
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Re: Need ID Chinese artillery

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Re: Need ID Chinese artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 24 Sep 2013 23:30

Hi all,

Any idea about this artillery (mortar) shells ?? :?

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Re: Need ID Chinese artillery

Post by YC Chen » 27 Sep 2013 16:38

Hello,

From the shape of the shells and the marks on the wooden cases I think these are shells of Chinese 15cm mortar Type 29(see the previous pages of this thread, a photo of Type 29 also posted by Strum78).

The marks on the shell is a wonderful manifestation of the complex marking system of Chinese artillery ammunition during WW2. The case on the top is put upside down and the case on the bottom is put in the right way. The curious "character" written on the case was a "simplified codename"(简號) invented by the Nationalist Weaponary Department(兵工署). This "character" meant "mortar shell", and the marks on the left side (right side on the top case) of it further pointed to the specific type of the shells. The mark with a cross in two circles was the manufacturer's mark, but I cannot identify this arsenal yet(most of the shells of Type 29 mortar were made in 21st Arsenal(whose mark was a swastika) so the shells shown in that photo must be a rare variation).

Accroding to an old manual the wooden case of Type 29 mortar shell each contains one shell.

Here I try to demostrate the formation of the "simplified codename" in a picture, for those who have some interest in Chinese characters :D
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Re: Need ID Chinese artillery

Post by tomschen6645 » 02 Oct 2013 08:17

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Hello~~
Can somebody tell me Shanghai arm-shop made 50mm mortars???? or Brandt 47Mm Mortar??
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Re: Need ID Chinese artillery

Post by YC Chen » 02 Oct 2013 10:02

I want to ask about this one too... I have known this photo for a long time but have never been able to identify the gun :(

P.S. A friend have suggested to me that the manufacturer's mark on the wooden cases on Strum78's photo looks like the mark of 50th Arsenal. What do you think?

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Re: Need ID Chinese artillery

Post by tomschen6645 » 03 Oct 2013 03:01

你好
這張照片是1926拍攝的,相片中人是孫傳芳的軍隊,他們戴的帽子是他們的特色。
漢陽兵工廠於1923年製造47MM迫擊炮與75MM迫擊炮與83MM迫擊炮,但是我找不到47MM 與75MM迫擊炮的照片,只找到這張很相像的。

Thank YC Chen.
This photo was taken in 1926, photos human is Sun Chuan-fang army, their hat is their specialty.
Hanyang Arsenal in 1923 with the manufacture of mortars 47MM / 75MM / 83MM , but I can not find 47MM and 75MM mortar photos, only to find this very similar.

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Re: Need ID Chinese artillery

Post by YC Chen » 05 Oct 2013 07:01

您好,
我认为汉75迫击炮为仿制自最早版本的斯托克斯迫击炮。47迫击炮我也不清楚。这张照片我以前也见过,主要觉得这枚迫击炮弹的造型非常特别,既不是斯托克斯迫击炮的圆柱体也不是后来的蛋形加尾翼。如果能找到类似的国外设计则可能解开这个谜。

另,您是否了解晋造75迫击炮的相关情况?

Hello,
I think the 75mm mortars made in Hanyang were copies of the earliest Stokes mortars. I don't know about the 47mm mortars either. I have seen this photo before and feel that the shape of the mortar bomb is very special - it is neither the cylinder-shaped bomb used by Stokes mortars nor the egg-shaped bombs with fins that were introduced later. If similar foreign designs could be found then it'll help us solve this mystery.

BTW, do you know anything about the 75mm mortars made in Taiyuan, Shanxi Province?

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Re: Need ID Chinese artillery

Post by tomschen6645 » 09 Oct 2013 06:51

抱歉~
我不清楚太原廠生產迫擊炮的狀況,可能是仿造日本大正11年式步兵炮??
目前漢陽廠製造的75迫擊炮有1055門,生產時間是1924~1928,1925~1926生產83MM迫擊炮107門。

Sorry ~
I do not know the status of Taiyuan Arsenal produced mortars may be counterfeit Japanese Taisho 11 infantry guns??
Hanyang manufacturing plant currently has 1,055 75 mortars, production time is 1924 to 1928.
1925 to 1926 production 83MM mortar 107.

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Re: Need ID Chinese artillery

Post by YC Chen » 09 Oct 2013 09:33

日本大正十一年式曲射步兵炮是前装线膛迫击炮,我收集的一本旧炮兵手册上有晋造75迫击炮的几种炮弹的图样,都是带弹翼的滑膛迫击炮弹,所以不太可能为仿制的十一曲步。

汉阳迫击炮产量数据很不错,资料来源为何?

The Taisho 11 mortars are rifle muzzle-loading mortars, however, an old artillery manual that I collected has diagrams of mortar bombs used by Taiyuan made 75mm mortars. These bombs have fins and are obviously used by smooth-bore mortars. So the 75 mortars made in Taiyuan could not be copies of Taisho 11.

The production numbers of Hanyang mortars are interesting. What is your source?

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Re: Need ID Chinese artillery

Post by tomschen6645 » 09 Oct 2013 16:45

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Re: Need ID Chinese artillery

Post by YC Chen » 11 Oct 2013 05:22

感谢!昨天网络有问题所以没能看到您的图片,现在好了。

我有这本书,但尚未来得及仔细研读过。

Thanks! Yesterday I could not see your picture because of Internet problem. Now it's Ok.

I have this book, but I haven't got time to carefully read it.

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Re: Need ID Chinese artillery

Post by YC Chen » 27 Oct 2013 12:57

Strange little mortars captured by Communist N4A in the Battle of Huangqiao from KMT force, any ideas?
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Re: Need ID Chinese artillery

Post by tomschen6645 » 31 Oct 2013 07:44

These photos just the N4A arsenal of products in 1943 or 1944.

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