Bolt action question

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Bolt action question

Post by Garuda » 15 Nov 2017 20:10

According to Wikipedia , both the Hanyang 88 and the Japanese Type 38 rifles are "bolt action" rifles. I know this an amateurish question cause I don't know about WW2 firearms but does bolt action mean that you have to manually manipulate the bolt handle after each shot is fired? So that means that the Hanyang 88 and Type 38 rifles can only fire one shot each(after manipulating the bolt handle) and not multiple shots at once unlike the Thomson Submachine Gun and other submachine guns?

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Re: Bolt action question

Post by Richie B » 16 Nov 2017 09:09

Garuda

You've got it.

Bolt action - work the bolt - fire -repeat until the magazine is empty.

SMG [set to full auto] - pull the trigger - will fire all the rounds in the magazine.

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Re: Bolt action question

Post by CroGer » 17 Nov 2017 18:01

Yes.
The advantage of the old bolt action is the cartridge. Hanyang and Type 38 shoot the 8x57 cartridge, the same as the germans, poles, czechs, yugoslavians.
Impact of a caliber like 8x57 are described as "explosion like". During WW1, the military surgeons were shocked by the injuries these cartridges would leave. The bullet hits with an extremly high velocity and than fragments on impact. Can potentially punch through walls.
A shot to the head can make the head explode (read about police battalion 101 if you don't believe me). Even a legshot can be lethal from a 8x57.

While SMG cartridges usually only pokes a hole in your body. The thompson shoots the 45 acp. it's a reatively slow bullet that punches a relatively big hole.
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Re: Bolt action question

Post by LineDoggie » 18 Nov 2017 16:42

CroGer wrote:Yes.
The advantage of the old bolt action is the cartridge. Hanyang and Type 38 shoot the 8x57 cartridge, the same as the germans, poles, czechs, yugoslavians.
Impact of a caliber like 8x57 are described as "explosion like". During WW1, the military surgeons were shocked by the injuries these cartridges would leave. The bullet hits with an extremly high velocity and than fragments on impact. Can potentially punch through walls.
A shot to the head can make the head explode (read about police battalion 101 if you don't believe me). Even a legshot can be lethal from a 8x57.

While SMG cartridges usually only pokes a hole in your body. The thompson shoots the 45 acp. it's a reatively slow bullet that punches a relatively big hole.
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Re: Bolt action question

Post by OldBill » 19 Nov 2017 18:42

The Type 30 and the Type 38 were the older versions of the Japanese military rifles. Both were chambered in 6.5x50, with a mv of 770 meters per second. The Type 99 was the newer rifle, and it used a different cartridge, 7.7x58, at 740ms.

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Re: Bolt action question

Post by Hama » 20 Nov 2017 00:07

Just want to mention to Garuda (if it's of any interest to you) that there were also some rifles invented that could operate in both bolt-action and semi-automatic modes (though they weren't super common). The Mondragón M1908 Rifle was one such example. It could be fired in semi-auto mode (where the gun shoots as many times as you pull the trigger) or you could flip the gas-cutoff switch and make it fire as a bolt-action (where you work the bolt, pull the trigger, work the bolt, pull the trigger, etc.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondrag%C3%B3n_rifle

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