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Postby nuyt » 05 Feb 2007 11:53

Thanks Windward!
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Postby Jerry Asher » 06 Feb 2007 02:41

Am I correct in reading Hsu that the following naval craft were sunk by Japanese carrier borne aircraft durring September 1937.
Shao Ho
Hai Chou
Hai Hu
Chiangta
Wufeng
Haiwen
Chien Ju

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Some Chinese site about the Chinese Navy

Postby asiaticus » 06 Feb 2007 23:46

Here is the Chinese Warship museum site.

http://vm.rdb.nthu.edu.tw/cwm/ming/index.html

Shows photos of many of the period ships and their history. In Chinese so have your on line translator handy if you dont read it. :^)

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Postby Windward » 07 Feb 2007 06:06

dear Jerry I sent you a private message.

the ships you mentioned were all belong to Canton provincial navy and they were sunk in Pearl River during IJN air raid on Sep 25 1937

cruiser "Chao Ho" (肇和) was a 1909 built protect cruiser, 2600 tons, 152mm guns x 2, 20 kts. She was damaged by IJN cruiser Yubari and destroyers Oite, Hayate (IJN 5th torpedo sqdn) on Sep 14 1937. She retreated and ran aground, left sloop "Hai Chou" (or Hai Zhou, 海周, a British built 1250-ton sloop, one 4.7 in gun, used as revenue cutter) alone. Hai Chou was seriously damaged. Japanese warships (they were covering a landing force) were attacked by gunfire from Humen Fortress, then retreated.

Chao Ho was salvaged and sunk on Sep 25 near Humen. Its captain Fang Nianzu was excuted for the retreat on Sep 14. Hai Chou was towed to Shajiao Fortress, her gun was reinstalled into the fortress and the hulk was discarded as useless.

Cantonese gunboat "Wu Feng" (舞凤) sunk near Modaomen watercourse, "Chien Ju" (Jian Ru 坚如) sunk near Tanzhou town, "Chiang Ta" (江大) sunk in Hengmen watercourse, sloop "Hai Wei" (海维) sunk in Yamen watercourse, "Hai Hu" (海虎, sea tiger) sunk in Hwangpu (near Guangzhou). IJN 1st 1st flying squadron (carriers Hosho and Ryojo) took part in the battles. They sunk Cantonese torpedo boats "No.1", "No.2" and "No.4" on Oct 23, sunk "No.3" on Oct 25. Cantonese gunboats "Jiang Gong", "Gong Sheng", "Zhong Kai" (Chung Kai?), "Zhong Yuan", "Fei Peng", "Hu Shan" were also sunk by IJN airplanes in late October.

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Postby Windward » 07 Feb 2007 06:13

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Postby Windward » 07 Feb 2007 06:15

sloop Hai Chou/Hai Zhou, a revenue cutter
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Postby Windward » 07 Feb 2007 06:17

Wu Feng and Jian Ru (Chien Ju)
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Postby Windward » 07 Feb 2007 06:21

Cantonese destroyer Fei Ying (飞鹰, flying hawk), built in Vulkan Werft 1895, 850 tons, 104mm Krupp gunsx2, 47mm gunsx6, 22 kts, sunk in 1932 during the coflict between Cantonese Navy and Cantonese warlord Chen Jitang.
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Postby Windward » 07 Feb 2007 06:22

Cantonese fleet in 1935
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Postby nuyt » 07 Feb 2007 10:24

Hi Windward,
Nice pictures.
The gun on the Chao Ho looks like a turn of the century 15cm Krupp gun...

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Postby Windward » 13 Feb 2007 04:25

IJN minelayer Kamome (gull) was hit by Chinese MTB "Wen-93" on July 14 1938, at Hukou (near Madang fortress), Hubei Prov., lost her stern and ran aground. She was raised and repaired later. Wen-93 was hit by gunboat Toba but no casualty.

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Postby Windward » 13 Feb 2007 04:44

Japanese minesweeping group, from left: gunboat Seta (338 tons), minelayer Kamome (450 tons), gunboat Kotaka ("kitty hawk", 55 tons), Madang Fortress, June 1938.

This group, also including Kamome's sistership Tsubame (swallow), gunboat Toba, minelayer Natsushima and Nasami, took part in the battle of Jiujiang and Madang, sweep mines, lay buoys and bombard Chinese positions. According to Kamome's navigator Toyama Tomihide's memory, Chinese troops use motars, machine guns and even rifles to shoot Japanese warships, the severe fire caused a lot of casualties, especially men who stayed in ships' superstructures.
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Postby Windward » 13 Feb 2007 04:46

crew of Kamome preparing bombardment of Madang fortress with her 76mm gun
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Postby Windward » 13 Feb 2007 04:48

Japanese warships on Yangtze River, during the battle of Madang, photo taken from Kamome's bridge. Sandbags were added to prevent Chinese MG and rifle bullets
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Postby Jerry Asher » 13 Feb 2007 06:43

Many thanks Windward for the wonderful photographs;

I don't have any photograhs but perhaps can supply additional narrative.

From Anking on one Japanese account is that there were mines " everywhere." The advance upriver from Anking to Juijiang was dubbed naval operation "V" On June 15 &16 pilots of seaplane tender Kamikaw Maru began scouting. On the 17th Torpedo Boat Division 21, swept 8 mines and on the 18th 7 more mines. Four more mines swept on the 19th with pilots of Kamikawa Maru continuing to assist. Chinese Air Force is very active in defense withsorties on the 9th, 10th, 14th and 19th. Sweeping continues upriver till the22nd when battle intensifies. small arms and artillery are brought to bear. One army craft sunk by mine on the 22nd. The torpedoboat Kasasagi moves ahead to engage in counterbattery and fire suppression missions Kasasagi hit and damaged on the 24th over a dozen Chinese planes are active

Madang itself adjoins "LittleOrphan rapids" and between the banks and some islands some eighteen Chinese ships are scuttled.. I would like to know names of ships--I have two ships named but have misplaced the paper will find soon and post.

Madang is aChinese success to me. Rather than direct assault theJapnase choose to go around. Last ships of the block are not raised until March 6, 2002.


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