German He-111 in Chinese service

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German He-111 in Chinese service

Post by Peter H » 14 Nov 2005 09:30

Any information on these?

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http://www.cnac.org/plane005.jpg

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Post by Michael Emrys » 14 Nov 2005 10:21

Odd looking national insignia. Never saw that one before.

I'd guess it was being used as a dedicated transport, maybe VIP transport.

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Post by asiaticus » 15 Nov 2005 02:15

From Sino-Japanese Air War 1937-45 http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/sino-japanese.htm


All heavy bombers belonged to the three squadrons of the 8th Air Group (in Chinese- “Dadui” that is “Large Detachment”).
The 19th BS was equipped with Heinkel He111A-0s which had been rejected by the Luftwaffe (In 1935 six machines were purchased by the aviation command of Guangdong Province).

25 August 1937
Three He-111As of the 19th BS (Heavy) attacked Japanese ships in the area of Shizilin and Yuncaobin during the day. Two He-111As were shot down; He-111A no. 1905 crash-landed at Chang-Zhou and He-111A no. 1903 crash-landed at Hang-Kou airfield in Shanghai and was then burned by bombing. Only the leader, Xie Wang managed to return safely to base

1 October 1937
During the day a Heinkel He111A-0 of 19th BS (Heavy) was shot down over Hankou by mistake by a Chinese Hawk fighter.


At the end of the year (1937) the personnel of the 19th BS (Heavy) arrived at Lanzhou for conversion(to another type of bomber), having lost the largest part of their Heinkels (on 2 October they had only 2 aircraft remaining).

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Post by Windward » 16 Nov 2005 11:53

Guangdong Provincial air force ordered 10 He-111A in 1935, eight were delivered in 1936. The Cantonese air commander fleed to Nanking government on July 18 1936, with more than 80 planes, include all eight He-111s. six of the 8 planes were transfered to the 19th squadron based in Nanchang.

In fact the He-111 was shot down in Hankou (now Wuhan) at night in mid 1938, by an aviation academy pilot.

The bombardment of Japanese ships was on September (not August 25) 1937, the 10th, 19th and 30th squadrons took part in, include 3 He-111 and 5 Martin B-10, escorted by 7 Boeing fighters from 17th squadron. He-111A was slower than B-10, so the bombers split into two parts, when 19th squadron arrive at the positon near Shanghai (more than 30 Japanese vessels there, including old armoured cruiser "Izumo", flagship of IJN's 3rd fleet), the first raid was finished and Japanese were full alert, two bombers were heavily damaged and crashed.

Remained He-111 were laid up in 1939, after Russian-aid SB and TB bombers delivered.

China also purchased 10 Hs-123A-1 in 1938.

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Post by Peter H » 17 Nov 2005 05:08

Here's the article that went with the photo.Said to be a Zhong insignia(?) on it.

http://www.cnac.org/aircraft05.htm

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Post by Windward » 17 Nov 2005 13:58

hi Peter, I found more details in a Chinese forum,

this He-111A's original number was No.1902, she was the last surviver of the eight, weapons were removed and transfered to CATC on Feb. 25 1943, crashed in Kunming on Dec 23 1944, during a test fly after refit with P&W engines.

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Post by Windward » 18 Nov 2005 04:39

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Post by Leonard » 18 Nov 2005 10:35

The "Chong" logo is of CNAC. a commercail airline. I believe this plane is not for military use.

From The Dragon's Wings by William M. Leary, Jr. (Copyright © 1976)

"American business enterprise took the lead in advancing a program to inaugurate commercial air service in China. Curtiss-Wright, the leading aeronautical corporation in the United States at the time, founded the China National Aviation Corporation (CNAC) in partnership with the Chinese government in 1929. Subsequently taken over by Pan American Airways in 1933, CNAC pioneered commercial air service throughout the Middle Kingdom until the airline's demise in 1949."

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Post by Zebedee » 19 Nov 2005 07:15

Hi Leonard,

the aircraft does not look like it has a CNAC logo, as one of the posters in the accompanying discussion to the picture points out, as does Windward on this forum :)

Here is a close up of the logo of CNAC for comparison of the styles of the 'chong':

http://gallery.erpz.net/albums/hoi/T1014.bmp


Hope that helps clear up the logo issue, and thanks to Peter for finding such a rare picture,

Zeb

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