The Sino-Japanese War(Campaigns in detail)

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Post by asiaticus » 23 Aug 2006 21:07

Ok thats good to know.

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Map of the 100 Regiments offensive

Post by asiaticus » 01 Sep 2006 08:32

Here is a good map showing the names of both the Communist forces and their attacks and and Japanese forces involved in the defense (in Chinese).
from: http://www.yq.gov.cn/btdz/images/dt.jpg
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Orbat for 100 Regiments Offensive.

Post by asiaticus » 01 Sep 2006 09:31

Orbat for 100 Regiments Offensive.

China [1,3]
8th Route Army (i.e., 38th Group Army)
- 46 regiments / 115th Division
- 47 regiments / 129th Division
- 22 regiments / 120th Division
Total 115 Regiments, 300,000men

Jinn-Cha-Ji (Shansi-Chahar-Hopei) Military district - Nie Rongzhen

129th Division, New Army Of Southeastern Shanxi Prov & forces in southern Hebei - Liu Bocheng & Deng Xiaoping

120th Division - Heh Long & Guan Xiangying

Dual Army of Zhu De - Zuo Quan & Peng Dehuai.




Japan

North China Front Army [Hebei, Peiking]
-- 15th Independent Mixed Brigade[Hebei, Peiking area]
-- 27th Division [Hebei, Tientsin area]
-- 7th Independent Mixed Brigade[Shandong, Huimin area]
-- 110th Division [Hebei, Baoding area]
-- 8th Independent Mixed Brigade[Hebei, Shijiazhuang area]
-- 1st Independent Mixed Brigade[Hebei, Handan area]
- Mongolian Army [Chahar, Zhangjiakou]
-- 26th Division [Suiyuan, Datong area]
-- 2nd Independent Mixed Brigade[Chahar,Zhangjiakou area]
- 1st Army [Shanxi, Taiyuan]
-- 36th Division[Shanxi , Lu'an area]
-- 3rd Independent Mixed Brigade[Shanxi (山亨) county area]
-- 4th Independent Mixed Brigade[Shanxi Yangquan area]
-- 9th Independent Mixed Brigade[Shanxi Taiyuan area]
-- 41st Division[Shanxi Linfen area]

Puppet forces
?

Sources:
[1] http://content.cdlib.org/xtf/view?docId ... nd=ucpress
Resistance and Revolution in China
The Communists and the Second United Front
Tetsuya Kataoka
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA PRESS
Berkeley • Los Angeles • Oxford

[2] IJA in China orbat, 1937 to 1945
http://www.china-defense.com/forum/show ... php?t=1168

[3] http://uglychinese.org/war.htm#Ichigo
Hundred Regiment Campaign

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Post by Jerry Asher » 30 Jan 2007 06:36

Thank you all. Peter thanks for going back through the threads. I am of two minds. One, some of the early stuff is by today standards --awful. Two, it does provide a benchmark.
I am borderlline literate in use of message boards, Couldn't post a picture or map. Can't recycle and must enter each entry by hand. What does BTW mean? Twice now I've seen it used.
I would like to revist Swatow/ Shantou actions of June 1939.
Mission break up smuggling nexus.
Intrusted to 5th Kantai in Naval parlance "Opration J"
Only a few units of the 5th are actually active.
Chiyoda is often cited--but no escort or guard ship is named.
only five DD's are used (45DDiv --Asakaze and Matsukaze are ID'd)
only two AMS or armed trawlers are present (possibly from 12th AM div)
only two AP are present for the 9th Sasebo SNLF
There seems confusion over 5th Fleet(Kantai) and 5th DesRon of which 45DDiv is a part) Likewise 21st surely does not apply to the DesDiv but to the Torpedo Boat Div
Translation of mine/torpedo from Japanese and Chinese is troublesome
June 21st Matsu Island occupied (perhaps this is source of confusion)
as perhaps that is where Goto forces are.
All discriptions I have are on coastal Shantou movements.
Still, all and all-- great job everyone- we are learning and hopefully understanding.

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Swatow/Shantou

Post by Akira Takizawa » 30 Jan 2007 09:02

Jerry Asher wrote:June 21st Matsu Island occupied (perhaps this is source of confusion) as perhaps that is where Goto forces are.


You said about 達濠島? (see attached map) If so, a part of Goto Detachment and a part of Sasebo 9th SNLF landed at the east coast on June 21st and at 角石 on June 22nd. They occupied whole island on June 24th.

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Post by Jerry Asher » 30 Jan 2007 15:36

Many thanks Akira:
I'm going to be going over my notes and working with a friend to do a better job of translating Shantou/Swatow.

Does your OB match mine?

As I understand it, Shantou was still an undeveloped/ non modernized port, with no facilities for night movement or mechanical aids, no cranes, etc.

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Post by Akira Takizawa » 30 Jan 2007 16:37

Jerry Asher wrote:Does your OB match mine?


The OOB in my source is as posted in this thread before. It does not state the details of each unit, so I cannot comment about your OOB.

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oob for Swatow Operation

Post by asiaticus » 30 Jan 2007 23:09

Here is what I have accumulated on Japanese forces in the the Swatow Operation. I assume this was a naval operation.

Swatow Operation (June 21-27,1939)

Japan

IJN 5th Fleet - Vice Admiral Kondo Nobutake [2]
 * 5th Destroyer Sentai
 * 12th Minesweeper Unit
 * 21st Minesweeper Unit
 * 45th Destroyer Unit
 * Chiyoda (carrier) -
 * 3rd Combined Air Unit
 * Canton Air Unit
 * Sasebo 9th SNLF (landing force)

Naval forces: [1]
40+ ships *
10+ motorboats

IJA
Kondo Column - ? *[1]
- 137th Brigade *

should be:

Goto Detachment - Major Gen. Juro Goto [2]
 * 132nd Infantry Brigade
 ** 137th Infantry Regiment
 ** 161st Infantry Regiment
 * 70th Independent Infantry Battalion
 * 2 Mountain Gun Batteries
 * 2 engineer companies
 * Tankette platoon
 * Rivercrossing material company

Airforces:
"several planes" [1]

IJN airforces from: [2]
  Chiyoda -
  3rd Combined Air Unit
  Canton Air Unit

Sources:
[1] Hsu Long-hsuen and Chang Ming-kai, History of The Sino-Japanese War (1937-1945) 2nd Ed. ,1971. Translated by Wen Ha-hsiung , Chung Wu Publishing; 33, 140th Lane, Tung-hwa Street, Taipei, Taiwan Republic of China.
Pg. 492-493

[2] viewtopic.php?p=880663#880663
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:28 am
Akira Takizawa
The Japanese OOB of Swatow Operation

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Post by Jerry Asher » 01 Feb 2007 06:05

Thanks Asiaticus:

I'm going to revist my notes and translation regarding Shantou. The stuff I generally look up relates to naval ops. sometimes they don't round out disscussion re Army
Re Navy stuff--just having a devil of a time on IJN minesweeping ships and groups.
Constanly coming up with Mine 4 o2 or whatever without breakdown. Akira statment that even the stuff with Delhi Maru, Akitsu Maru is not 12th has staggered me.
I plan to devote time this week to resurvey everything I have and for questions for a meeting I have this Monday with person assisting me. Far more than American practice IJN ships crossover roles--certainly pre WW2 minesweepers and escorts seem interchangeable

Really want to move on--Lots of questions on Dongting Lakes, Changsha Yoyang, Ichang

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Post by asiaticus » 01 Feb 2007 09:54

Taki

Forgot to say, thanks for the map. Its a big help following the account in Hsu Long-hsuen, which has no map on this one.

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Swatow Operation, narrative

Post by asiaticus » 01 Feb 2007 10:01

The Swatow Operation, (June 21-27,1939) was part of a campaign by Japan during the Second Sino-Japanese War to blockade China to prevent it from communicating with the outside world and importing needed arms and materials. Control of Swatow would provide a base to make the blockade of Guangdong province more effective.

Part of Goto Detachment and a part of Sasebo 9th SNLF landed on the east coast on June 21st near the airfeild east Swatow. Other Japanes troops in more than ten motor boats proceaded up the Han river and landed at Mei-hsi cutting the road between Swatow north to Chao-chow. A coordiated attack by the Japanese drove the Chinese defenders, Hua Chen-chung's Brigade and local militia units, from the city of Swatou. They fell back to a line Yenfu - Meihsi on June 23rd.

The Japanese also had landed at Matsu Island south of Swatow, on June 22nd. They occupied whole island on June 24th. The Chinese fell back to Fuyang on the 24th to block the approaches to Chao-chow as the Japanese landed reinforcements.

Proceading north in pursuit the Japanese also sent forces up the river and landed to the Chinese rear, part of the Chinese force then fell back into the city while the remainder moved into the mountains northwest of the city. The Japanese advancing from the west captured Chao-chow by June 27th after heavy street fighting. Later the Chinese sent reinforcements of the 5th Reserve Division, and 1st Advance Column to block the Japanese from further advances and conduct guerrilla warfare on their positions and lines of communications.

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Hsu Long-hsuen and Chang Ming-kai, History of The Sino-Japanese War (1937-1945) 2nd Ed. ,1971. Translated by Wen Ha-hsiung , Chung Wu Publishing; 33, 140th Lane, Tung-hwa Street, Taipei, Taiwan Republic of China. Pg. 492-493

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Shantou operations

Post by Jerry Asher » 11 Feb 2007 07:01

My apologies to all. I confused Shantou opertions of 1939 with those of 1938 which occurred almost exactly a year earlier. Taki and Asiaticus are correct. There does not seem to be a breakdown of what ships comprised Mine groups 12 and 21.

FYI Shantou ops of 1938 focused on occupying Nan noa Island some 20 nautical miles off Shantou and harrassing British agents of Butterfield and Swires to leave Shantou itself. British women and children were evacuated and a month later so were the men.

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Shantou ops

Post by Jerry Asher » 11 Feb 2007 07:05

Sorry should have included that I came across no mention of occuppying Matsu as part of this operation in 1939. Also Matsu is hundreds of miles north of Shantou. If the Japanese ops were for Fujian province then Matsu makes sense--and of couse there could have been two concurrent ops.

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Post by asiaticus » 26 Feb 2007 03:22

That island south of Swatow is called Jiao Yu. Found it with the Google map.

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Central Hopei Operation November 25-30, 1940

Post by asiaticus » 03 Mar 2007 11:07

Next Campaign and the last in 1940 was the Central Hopei Operation, (November 25-30, 1940)

I have accumulated this as the oob for the two sides. The is some conficting info on who was in command.

Japan

11th Army - Lt. General Katsuichiro Enbu [1] or Lt. General Waichiro Sonobe [5]
- Kayashima Force - Lt. Gen Taka Kayashima 1939- 1941[4,5] at [[Dangyang| Tang-yang]]
-- 18th Independent Mixed Brigade - Lt. Gen Taka Kayashima 1939- 1941[4,5]
--- 92nd Independent infantry battalion
--- 93rd Independent infantry battalion
--- 94th Independent infantry battalion
--- 95th Independent infantry battalion
--- 96th independent infantry battalion
--- artillery troops
--- labor troops
--- signal communication unit.
-- 40th Division, a portion - [1]
-- 40th Division - Lt-General Naojikiro Amaya, [4,5]
--- 40th Infantry Brigade group:
---- 234th Infantry regiment
---- 235th Infantry regiment
---- 236th Infantry regiment
--- 40th Cavalry regiment
--- 40th mountain artillery regiment
--- 40th military engineer regiment
--- 40th Transport regiment

- Muragami Force - Lt. Gen Keisaku Muragami[4,5] at [[Jingmen| Chingmen] ]
-- 39th Division - Keisaku Muragami[1]
-- 39th Division - Lt. Gen Keisaku Muragami [4,5]
--- 39th Infantry Brigade Group
---- 231st Infantry Rregiments
---- 232nd Infantry Regiments
---- 233rd Infantry Regiments
--- 39th Recon Regiment
--- 39th Feild Artillery Regiment
--- 39th Military Engineer Regiment
--- 39th Transport Regiment


- Hirabayashi Force - Morito Hirabayashi [at [[Zhongxiang|Chung-hsiang]]
-- 15th Division (a portion) [1]
-- 15th Division (partial) - Lt-General Keiichi Kumagai 1940- 1941[4,5]
--- Kurahashi Detachment - Col. Kurahashi ?
---- 60th Infantry Regiment / 15th Division in the Nanchang area
-- 17th Division (a portion) - Morito Hirabayashi [1]
-- 17th Division - Lt-General Morito Hirabayashi[4,5]
---17th Infantry Brigade Group
----53rd Infantry Regiment
----54th Infantry Regiment
----81st Infantry Regiment
---23rd Feild Artillery Regiment
---7th Military Engineer Regiment
---17th Transport Regiment

- Kitano Force - Lt. Gen Kenzo Kitano [north of Ching-shan] [4,5]
-- 4th Division (a portion) - Kenzo Kitana[1]
-- 4th Division - Lt. Gen Kenzo Kitano [4,5]
--- 4th Infantry Brigade group:
---- 8th Infantry Regiment
---- 37th Infantry Regiment
---- 61st Infantry Regiment
--- 4th Recon Regiment
--- 4th Feild Artillery Regiment
--- 4th Military Engineer Regiment
--- 4th Transport Regiment
-- Kususe Armored force[1] - ?
--- 7th Tank Regiment
--- 13th Tank Regiment
--- ? Tank Regiment


-Hanjima Force - Lt. General Fusataro Hanjima [at Sui Hsien/Suizhou]
-- 3rd Division - Fusataro Hanjima[1]?
--- 5th Infantry Brigade
---- 6th Infantry Regiment
---- 68th Infantry Regiment
--- 29th Infantry Brigade
---- 18th Infantry Regiment
---- 34th Infantry Regiment
--- 3rd Field Artillery Regiment
--- 3rd Cavalry Regiment
--- 3rd Engineer Regiment
--- 3rd Transport Regiment


China

5th War Area - Li Tsung-jen
- River West Group / 33rd Army Group - Feng Chih-an
-- 77th Corps - Feng Chih-an (concurrent)
--- 37th Division - Li Chiu-sze
--- 179th Division - Liu Chen-shan
-- 30th Corps - Wang Chung-lien or Chih Feng-cheng
--- 27th Division - Hsu Wen-yao
--- 30th Division - Liu Chen-shan
--- 31st Division - ?

- Right Army Group/ 29th Army Group - Wang Tsan-hsu
-- 44th Corps - Liao Chen
--- 149th Division
--- 150th Division
-- 67th Corps - Hsu Shao-tsung
--- 161st Division
--- 162nd Division

- Central Army Group/ 22nd Army Group - Sun Chen
-- 41st Corps - Chen Ting-hsun
--- 125th Division
--- 127th Division
-- 45th Corps - Sun Chen
--- 122nd Division
--- 124th Division

- 59th Corps - Huang Wei-kang [move to Hsiang-Fan area as mobile reserve] 1/41
--- 38th Division - Li Chiu-sze
--- 180th Division - Liu Chen-shan


Sources:
[1] Hsu Long-hsuen and Chang Ming-kai, History of The Sino-Japanese War (1937-1945) 2nd Ed. ,1971. Translated by Wen Ha-hsiung , Chung Wu Publishing; 33, 140th Lane, Tung-hwa Street, Taipei, Taiwan Republic of China.
Pg. 339-342.
Map 22.

[4] Generals from Japan
http://www.generals.dk/nation/Japan.html

[5] The Japanese Mutumi troop encyclopedia
http://homepage1.nifty.com/kitabatake/r ... untop.html
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