Sino-German cooperation 1911-1941

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Sino-German cooperation 1911-1941

Post by Volklin » 07 Feb 2006 09:58

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Germa ... 11-1941%29

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Post by Robb » 07 Feb 2006 15:13

Hi Volkin,

Read it earlier today. Its quite interesting and helps to explain why a number of Chinese weapons bore more than a passing similarity to German ones. As usual Hitler was the one who put an end to that co-operation. It was interesting so see the economic connection to as one of the important strategic materials the Germans gained by this connection was Tungsten so important for machine tools and of course also for tungsten corded anti-tank rounds. This was a metal that the Germans had little of and as a result after being the first to introduce these rounds they were the first and only country to have to withfraw them so they could keep the scarce supplies for machine tools.

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Post by mars » 07 Feb 2006 17:52

Do not need to exaggerate, there was virtually no Sino-Germany co-operation after 1938, and before the Sino-Japan war, chinese military system was mainly influenced by Japanese military system, Germany was later-comer, and US gave china much more military aids than Germany

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Post by zstar » 08 Feb 2006 09:16

Little known fact

Nazi Germany sold more war material to China than any other nation.

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Post by Tycoon2002 » 08 Feb 2006 13:06

Very interesting article. If only Chaing did have the '60 Plan' to succeed, the Chinese wuld of suffered far less losses.
Although I think the reason why the Sino - German cooperationg was successful in the early years because of Chaing's anti communist stance.

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Post by Peter H » 08 Feb 2006 14:11

Did Walter von Reichenau really visit China in 1936?

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Left to right: Kuan Te-mao, General Kuei Yung-ch'in, Friedrich Busse, Weng Wen-hao, Hans Klein, H.H. Kung, General von Reichenau, unidentified Chinese officer, Major Völker (Nanking 1936, courtesy Friedrich Busse)

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Post by mars » 08 Feb 2006 20:07

zstar wrote:Little known fact

Nazi Germany sold more war material to China than any other nation.
zstar, that is simply and ridiculously untrue, US sold most war material to China, even USSR send china more war material than Germany

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Post by zstar » 09 Feb 2006 09:55

mars wrote:
zstar wrote:Little known fact

Nazi Germany sold more war material to China than any other nation.
zstar, that is simply and ridiculously untrue, US sold most war material to China, even USSR send china more war material than Germany
I think you're misunderstood

What i'm saying that out of all the nation Germany sold weapons to they sold the most to China.

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Post by mars » 09 Feb 2006 16:33

zstar wrote:
mars wrote:
zstar wrote:Little known fact

Nazi Germany sold more war material to China than any other nation.
zstar, that is simply and ridiculously untrue, US sold most war material to China, even USSR send china more war material than Germany
I think you're misunderstood

What i'm saying that out of all the nation Germany sold weapons to they sold the most to China.
Not true too, German sold much more weapon to Italy, Finland, Rumania, Hungary and Crotia etc. then thoes they sold to china

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Post by Steen Ammentorp » 09 Feb 2006 18:18

Peter H wrote:Did Walter von Reichenau really visit China in 1936?
Yes, von Reichenau did spend several months in China in 1936. See i.e.:

Walther Görlitz article on him in Hitler's Generals ed. by Correlli Barnett or Samuel W. Mitcham's Hitler's Field Marshals and Their Battles.

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Post by Peter H » 10 Feb 2006 13:45

Thanks Steen.

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Post by zstar » 12 Feb 2006 00:48

mars wrote:
zstar wrote:
mars wrote:
zstar wrote:Little known fact

Nazi Germany sold more war material to China than any other nation.
zstar, that is simply and ridiculously untrue, US sold most war material to China, even USSR send china more war material than Germany
I think you're misunderstood

What i'm saying that out of all the nation Germany sold weapons to they sold the most to China.
Not true too, German sold much more weapon to Italy, Finland, Rumania, Hungary and Crotia etc. then thoes they sold to china
No they didn't

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Post by mars » 12 Feb 2006 04:03

zstar, here were the weapon German sent to Finland alone, China never received aid any close to these from Germany

http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=3254

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Post by Windward » 12 Feb 2006 09:35

mars wrote: Not true too, German sold much more weapon to Italy, Finland, Rumania, Hungary and Crotia etc. then thoes they sold to china
According to the memoir of Ting Fu Chenh 丁福成, Chinese manager of the main vendor of German military and industrial materials in China, the Carlowitz & Co., it imported more than 270,000,000 RM (around 108,000,000 dollars) weapons and other German stuff from 1931 to 1937. I don't think Croatia or Roumania could afford it. So I'll appreciate if you can share us your source which says Germany sold more weapons to Crotia than to China. :lol:

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Post by Steen Ammentorp » 12 Feb 2006 09:45

Windward wrote:According to the memoir of Ting Fu Chenh 丁福成, Chinese manager of the main vendor of German military and industrial materials in China, the Carlowitz & Co., it imported more than 270,000,000 RM (around 108,000,000 dollars) weapons and other German stuff from 1931 to 1937. I don't think Croatia or Roumania could afford it. So I'll appreciate if you can share us your source which says Germany sold more weapons to Crotia than to China. :lol:
The problem with this is of course this part ...other German stuff... which good be anything from match sticks to air planes. It does not really prove the thesis that Germany sold more weapons to China than anyother nation. However I agree that it would be good to see some sources and I think that especially zstar will have to come up with someones that support his claim.

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