Sino-German cooperation 1911-1941

[Volklin]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Germa ... 11-1941%29

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[Robb]

Hi Volkin,

Read it earlier today. Its quite interesting and helps to explain why a number of Chinese weapons bore more than a passing similarity to German ones. As usual Hitler was the one who put an end to that co-operation. It was interesting so see the economic connection to as one of the important strategic materials the Germans gained by this connection was Tungsten so important for machine tools and of course also for tungsten corded anti-tank rounds. This was a metal that the Germans had little of and as a result after being the first to introduce these rounds they were the first and only country to have to withfraw them so they could keep the scarce supplies for machine tools.

Regards Robb

[mars]

Do not need to exaggerate, there was virtually no Sino-Germany co-operation after 1938, and before the Sino-Japan war, chinese military system was mainly influenced by Japanese military system, Germany was later-comer, and US gave china much more military aids than Germany

[zstar]

Little known fact

Nazi Germany sold more war material to China than any other nation.

[Tycoon2002]

Very interesting article. If only Chaing did have the '60 Plan' to succeed, the Chinese wuld of suffered far less losses.
Although I think the reason why the Sino - German cooperationg was successful in the early years because of Chaing's anti communist stance.

[Peter H]

Did Walter von Reichenau really visit China in 1936?

A photo from that link:



Left to right: Kuan Te-mao, General Kuei Yung-ch'in, Friedrich Busse, Weng Wen-hao, Hans Klein, H.H. Kung, General von Reichenau, unidentified Chinese officer, Major Völker (Nanking 1936, courtesy Friedrich Busse)

[mars]

Little known fact

Nazi Germany sold more war material to China than any other nation.

zstar, that is simply and ridiculously untrue, US sold most war material to China, even USSR send china more war material than Germany

[zstar]

Little known fact

Nazi Germany sold more war material to China than any other nation.

zstar, that is simply and ridiculously untrue, US sold most war material to China, even USSR send china more war material than Germany

I think you're misunderstood

What i'm saying that out of all the nation Germany sold weapons to they sold the most to China.

[mars]

Little known fact

Nazi Germany sold more war material to China than any other nation.

zstar, that is simply and ridiculously untrue, US sold most war material to China, even USSR send china more war material than Germany

I think you're misunderstood

What i'm saying that out of all the nation Germany sold weapons to they sold the most to China.

Not true too, German sold much more weapon to Italy, Finland, Rumania, Hungary and Crotia etc. then thoes they sold to china

[Steen Ammentorp]

Did Walter von Reichenau really visit China in 1936?

Yes, von Reichenau did spend several months in China in 1936. See i.e.:

Walther Görlitz article on him in Hitler's Generals ed. by Correlli Barnett or Samuel W. Mitcham's Hitler's Field Marshals and Their Battles.

Kind Regards
Steen Ammentorp
The Generals of World War II

[Peter H]

Thanks Steen.

Best regards,
Peter

[zstar]

Little known fact

Nazi Germany sold more war material to China than any other nation.

zstar, that is simply and ridiculously untrue, US sold most war material to China, even USSR send china more war material than Germany

I think you're misunderstood

What i'm saying that out of all the nation Germany sold weapons to they sold the most to China.

Not true too, German sold much more weapon to Italy, Finland, Rumania, Hungary and Crotia etc. then thoes they sold to china

No they didn't

[mars]

zstar, here were the weapon German sent to Finland alone, China never received aid any close to these from Germany

http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=3254

[Windward]

Not true too, German sold much more weapon to Italy, Finland, Rumania, Hungary and Crotia etc. then thoes they sold to china

According to the memoir of Ting Fu Chenh 丁福成, Chinese manager of the main vendor of German military and industrial materials in China, the Carlowitz & Co., it imported more than 270,000,000 RM (around 108,000,000 dollars) weapons and other German stuff from 1931 to 1937. I don't think Croatia or Roumania could afford it. So I'll appreciate if you can share us your source which says Germany sold more weapons to Crotia than to China.

[Steen Ammentorp]

According to the memoir of Ting Fu Chenh 丁福成, Chinese manager of the main vendor of German military and industrial materials in China, the Carlowitz & Co., it imported more than 270,000,000 RM (around 108,000,000 dollars) weapons and other German stuff from 1931 to 1937. I don't think Croatia or Roumania could afford it. So I'll appreciate if you can share us your source which says Germany sold more weapons to Crotia than to China. :lol:

The problem with this is of course this part ...other German stuff... which good be anything from match sticks to air planes. It does not really prove the thesis that Germany sold more weapons to China than anyother nation. However I agree that it would be good to see some sources and I think that especially zstar will have to come up with someones that support his claim.

Kind Regards
Steen Ammentorp
The Generals of World War II