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Post by Lornito Uriarte Mahinay Jr. » 21 Jan 2007 07:16

I'm very indeed greatful for the infos!

Thank you very much!

Allaho Akbar!

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közellátásügyi miniszter

Post by CB1 » 22 Jan 2007 10:12

Hi Gothard,

Gothard wrote:A kormány szervezete 1848 óta több változózáson ment keresztül. Ha a miniszterelnök tárcát nem vállal, akkor kívüle 9 miniszteri állás van (az 848:III. tc. és a költségvetési törvény sorrendjében): a külügyminiszter, a belügyminiszter, a pénzügyminiszter, az iparügyi miniszter, a kereskedelem- és közlekedésügyi miniszter, a földmûvelésügyi miniszter, a vallás- és közoktatásügyi miniszter, az igazságügyminiszter és a honvédelmi miniszter. Ezeknek a minisztereknek tárcájuk, vagyis önálló hatáskörük van. Az 1917:XI. tc. a háborúnak és a békére való átmenetnek tartamára megengedte négy tárcanélküli miniszteri állás szervezését. Így nevezték ki a népjóléti, közélelmezési, átmenetgazdasági és a választójogi tárcanélküli minisztereket. 1920-ban kineveztek kisgazda és nemzetiségi kisebbségi tárcanélküli minisztert, 1938-ban felvidéki minisztert, 1940-ben közellátásügyi minisztert, 1942-ben pedig nemzetvédelmi-propaganda és még egy tárcanélküli minisztert.

need translation here. Propaganda Minister ?


Here you go:
Gov’t structure underwent many changes since 1848. If the PM does not hold any other ministry post there are 9 seats to be filled (Act 3 of 1848 and the Budget Act): ministers of foreign affairs, of internal affairs, of finance, of industry, of commerce and transport, of agriculture, of education, of justice and of defense. These ministers have portfolios. Act 11 of 1917 allowed for 4 ministers without portfolio for the duration of the war and the post-war transitional period: welfare, public food, transitional economy and electoral ministers. In 1920 two others were named: smallholders and ethnic minority affairs. 1938: minister of “Highlands” (i.e. Felvidék: it is Slovakia), 1940: minister of public care/supply, 1942: minister of defense propaganda and an additional minister without portfolio.

Hmm…fascinating. Nothing to do with the topic though :-)

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Post by Gothard » 23 Jan 2007 01:25

thanks yes it does actually - The guy that posted above me is the one that runs the excellent website on generals. He was the one that made the initial post.

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Post by Gothard » 23 Jan 2007 01:26

Steen Ammentorp wrote:Lieutenant-Field Marshal Ödön Domaniczky retired on the 1st November 1942 and died on the 4th May 1945.

Lieutenant-Field Marshal Sándor Györffy-Bengyel died on the 14th June 1942 while in office as Közellátásügyi tárcanélküli miniszter (I have been unable to translate this).

Lieutenant-Field Marshal Gyula Nagy retired on the 1st August 1942 and died on the 4th March 1945.

I have no indications that these deaths were anything else than deaths by natural causes.

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Hopefully your translation will find its way to his website =)

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Post by Gothard » 23 Jan 2007 01:31

és a választójogi tárcanélküli minisztereket. 1920-ban kineveztek kisgazda és nemzetiségi kisebbségi tárcanélküli minisztert, 1938-ban felvidéki minisztert, 1940-ben



közellátásügyi minisztert If this is public care/supply Of which our general was emininently qualified.

választójogi tárcanélküli minisztereket and this is transisitional economy

would this : "Közellátásügyi tárcanélküli miniszter" be transitional public care/supply ?

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Well, no...

Post by CB1 » 23 Jan 2007 10:33

Hi Gothard,

köz - public
ellátás - care/supply
ügyi - affairs

tárca - portfolio
nélküli - without

miniszter - minister

Transition is "átmenet". Four transitional posts were created in 1917 for the duration of WW1 and the aftermath.

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Post by Steen Ammentorp » 23 Jan 2007 11:32

@Gothard,
Thank you for the kind words on my site, and yes I will add the infiormation to my site.

@Krisz
Thank you for your patience with us. I am sorry but I don't get yet. How can you by minister of public care affairs and at the same time minister without portfolio?

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Post by Gothard » 24 Jan 2007 00:11

Steen - the hyperlink on your sig is bad - it leeds to ww. instead of www. =). A minister without portfolio is like a handyman politically - he has ministerial authority by law but no specific job. A task can be temporarily assigned to him for a specific duration but the task isnt permanently funded within the budget and is only approved and budgeted for a specific time. when the task ends he is still a minister but the task is gone and he waits for a new one =)

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Post by Lornito Uriarte Mahinay Jr. » 24 Jan 2007 03:03

During the war, the Hungarian Air Force fought against the Red Air Force and the USAAF. Has anybody had a list of Hungrian Air Force generals with their dates of birth and death?

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Post by Gothard » 24 Jan 2007 03:55

Hungarians didnt do it that way - There were no air force generals - Regular army generals were posted to the airforce. Rarely did they ever take flight training.

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Post by Steen Ammentorp » 24 Jan 2007 08:19

Gothard wrote:Steen - the hyperlink on your sig is bad - it leeds to ww. instead of www. =). A minister without portfolio is like a handyman politically - he has ministerial authority by law but no specific job. A task can be temporarily assigned to him for a specific duration but the task isnt permanently funded within the budget and is only approved and budgeted for a specific time. when the task ends he is still a minister but the task is gone and he waits for a new one =)


Thank you. I have correct the link. I am of course aware of what a minister with out portfolio is, however there seems to be different ways in which they operatered from country to country.

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Post by CB1 » 24 Jan 2007 09:26

Hi Steen,

Patience? I meant no arrogance, if it sounded like that, please excuse me. In the future if you need something (not urgent :D ) to be translated H->E, do contact me.

By the way, I think Gothard is correct about the characteristics of a minister w/o portfolio.

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Post by borsod » 26 Jan 2007 22:15

You forget lieutenant-general Imre Kalándy, vitéz. He was retired, when the soviet troops sourrended Budapest. He evidenced the serving and servedat 18. 01. 45, when he injured. End of siege he became POW, he died in POW camp Dunatetétlen in dysentery. He was brave soldier, fought, when he was 77 years old.
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Post by Lornito Uriarte Mahinay Jr. » 28 Jan 2007 08:45

Hi Borsod,

Good Day!

Thanks for the additional general! But when he died? and where? Do you have some biographical data on him?
Please let me know.

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Post by borsod » 28 Jan 2007 17:57

Hi!
He died in Dunartetétlen, Hungary, POW camp 21.02.45.
KALÁNDY (Kleidin) Imre, vitéz, altábornagy (Generalleutenant)
Székesfehérvár (Stuhlweissenburg) 1878.06.09 – Dunatetétlen, 1945
Vater: Kleidin Rudolf (kisiparos = Handwerker))
Religion: r.kat (Römisch Katholic)
Schule: Infanterie Kadettenschule, Budapest: 1892-1896.
Hadapródtiszthelyettes (Kadetten-ofizierstelvertreter) 1896.08.18
Hadnagy (Leutenant): 1897.11.01
Fõhadnagy (Oberlt.): 1901.11.01
Százados (Hauptmann): 1911.11.01
Õrnagy (Major): 1917.08.01
Alezredes (Oberstleutenant): 1919.11.01
Ezredes (Oberst): 1920.05.01
>Tábornok=General< Vezérõrnagy (Generalmajor): 1927.05.01
Altábornagy (Generealleutenant): 1932.05.01

Források (Quellen) Szakály Sándor: Az ellenforradalmi Magyarország (1919-1945) Hadseregének felsõ vezetése. Adattár I. Hadtörténelmi Közlemények (=HK) 1984/2: 354-392; III: HK 1985/2: 457-466. pp. Honvédség és tisztikar 1919-1947. Bp. Ister, 2002. – A magyar katonai felsõ vezetés 1938-1945. Bp. Ister, 2003.

special thanks for Imre Domokos Nagy.

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