What happens to Libya if Benny the Moose stays neutral?

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Re: What happens to Libya if Benny the Moose stays neutral?

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Post by Takao » 05 Aug 2022, 02:59

Are the Libyans still Italian citizens? Yes or no...

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Re: What happens to Libya if Benny the Moose stays neutral?

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Post by Lee-Sensei » 05 Aug 2022, 03:12

Takao wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 02:59
Are the Libyans still Italian citizens? Yes or no...
What's that supposed to mean?


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Re: What happens to Libya if Benny the Moose stays neutral?

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Post by Takao » 05 Aug 2022, 04:21

Lee-Sensei wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 03:12
Takao wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 02:59
Are the Libyans still Italian citizens? Yes or no...
What's that supposed to mean?
Same as this
Do Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza have equal rights? Can they vote? Yes or no?

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Re: What happens to Libya if Benny the Moose stays neutral?

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Post by Princess Perfume » 05 Aug 2022, 05:48

Lee-Sensei is not me. the admins can tell you that (they can see our IPs). Accusing your opponents of being a SP or troll is a well-worn tactic of old trots and other of our friends that are well to the left. I brought up Burma where the pro-democracy movement has been crushed for decades by the military regime. You ignored this example.
Lee-Sensei is only wrong about "1967 borders" as the 1949-67 ceasefire lines were never recognised international frontiers.

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Re: What happens to Libya if Benny the Moose stays neutral?

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Post by Lee-Sensei » 05 Aug 2022, 05:51

Takao wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 04:21
Lee-Sensei wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 03:12
Takao wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 02:59
Are the Libyans still Italian citizens? Yes or no...
What's that supposed to mean?
Same as this
Do Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza have equal rights? Can they vote? Yes or no?
So you agree that the situations would be somewhat similar? And yet, Israel hasn’t collapsed or been forced out in decades.

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Re: What happens to Libya if Benny the Moose stays neutral?

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Post by Takao » 05 Aug 2022, 10:03

Lee-Sensei wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 05:51
So you agree that the situations would be somewhat similar? And yet, Israel hasn’t collapsed or been forced out in decades.
That is not what you were saying with the quote about the Palestinians....

Israel is a Democracy, Italy is a Totalitarian Dictatorship. They are not the same.

Sound familiar?

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Re: What happens to Libya if Benny the Moose stays neutral?

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Post by Princess Perfume » 05 Aug 2022, 10:08

Lee-Sensei wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 05:51
Takao wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 04:21
Lee-Sensei wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 03:12
Takao wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 02:59
Are the Libyans still Italian citizens? Yes or no...
What's that supposed to mean?
Same as this
Do Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza have equal rights? Can they vote? Yes or no?
So you agree that the situations would be somewhat similar? And yet, Israel hasn’t collapsed or been forced out in decades.
Israel's demographic position is getting stronger with every passing year too. Just to bring us back to how the Moose and his successors may do the same in Italian possessions. Plus no Hoxha in Albania because because Italy still holds it is actually good. Hoxha brought his people ruination.

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Re: What happens to Libya if Benny the Moose stays neutral?

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Post by Lee-Sensei » 05 Aug 2022, 10:24

Takao wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 10:03
Lee-Sensei wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 05:51
So you agree that the situations would be somewhat similar? And yet, Israel hasn’t collapsed or been forced out in decades.
That is not what you were saying with the quote about the Palestinians....

Israel is a Democracy, Italy is a Totalitarian Dictatorship. They are not the same.

Sound familiar?
Then I’ll ask again. Do Palestinians in West Bank and the Gaza have the right to vote? Being a totalitarian dictatorship would only make it easier, since you don’t have to deal with voters.

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Re: What happens to Libya if Benny the Moose stays neutral?

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Post by Takao » 05 Aug 2022, 11:02

Well, being a Totalitarian Dictatorship made it easy enough to toss Benny the Moose to the curb.

So, it would seem that voters are irrelevant.

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Post by Princess Perfume » 05 Aug 2022, 12:33

Islam sees the world community of Muslims, the Umma, as a single entity, and all the lands inhabited by Muslims as their inalienable patrimony. Muslim tradition, for example, still mourns the loss of Islamic Spain in the 15th century.

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Re: What happens to Libya if Benny the Moose stays neutral?

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Post by Takao » 05 Aug 2022, 22:23

Princess Perfume wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 12:33
Islam sees the world community of Muslims, the Umma, as a single entity, and all the lands inhabited by Muslims as their inalienable patrimony. Muslim tradition, for example, still mourns the loss of Islamic Spain in the 15th century.
Wonderful! Now, how does this effect Italy & Libya from the 1940s to 80s?

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Post by Princess Perfume » 06 Aug 2022, 04:07

Basically, Italy will do a lot worse to the Arabs, Somalis et al then the British did in fighting the Mau-Mau in Kenya... and we don't even know the full extent of *that* because the British destroyed the records - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Legacy

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Re: What happens to Libya if Benny the Moose stays neutral?

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Post by Lee-Sensei » 06 Aug 2022, 05:08

Takao wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 11:02
Well, being a Totalitarian Dictatorship made it easy enough to toss Benny the Moose to the curb.

So, it would seem that voters are irrelevant.
And yet in the real world, that didn't happen until the Allies started landing in Italy. Are the Libyans going to land in Italy? With what Fleet?

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Re: What happens to Libya if Benny the Moose stays neutral?

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Post by Princess Perfume » 06 Aug 2022, 05:39

Lee-Sensei wrote:
06 Aug 2022, 05:08
Takao wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 11:02
Well, being a Totalitarian Dictatorship made it easy enough to toss Benny the Moose to the curb.

So, it would seem that voters are irrelevant.
And yet in the real world, that didn't happen until the Allies started landing in Italy. Are the Libyans going to land in Italy? With what Fleet?
Possibly Takao thinks there will be a fleet of magic carpets?

(this is FULLY intended as BITING SARCASM about Takao not a racial jibe)

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Re: What happens to Libya if Benny the Moose stays neutral?

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Post by Takao » 06 Aug 2022, 10:57

Princess Perfume wrote:
06 Aug 2022, 05:39
Lee-Sensei wrote:
06 Aug 2022, 05:08
Takao wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 11:02
Well, being a Totalitarian Dictatorship made it easy enough to toss Benny the Moose to the curb.

So, it would seem that voters are irrelevant.
And yet in the real world, that didn't happen until the Allies started landing in Italy. Are the Libyans going to land in Italy? With what Fleet?
Possibly Takao thinks there will be a fleet of magic carpets?

(this is FULLY intended as BITING SARCASM about Takao not a racial jibe)
A fleet of magic carpets carrying IEDs....

BITING SARCASM? You forget, we are in fantasyland. Anything is possibile.

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