The invasion of Oahu, December 1941.

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Post by robdab » 09 Jun 2007 19:55

... can you provide some more info/source for the Venezuala refinery attack via submarine that you mentioned ? I had not heard of that event, before.

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Post by Carl Schwamberger » 10 Jun 2007 04:11

Not much I'm afraid. The first was from a magazine circa 1969-72, while I was in high school. The second from one of those publishing house WWII history seriers books, like Time-Life, from the 1970s.

As I recall a German submarine was fitted with a second deck gun of 10cm or 10.5cm caliber and some torpedos left off to make room for the cannon ammo. A Venzuelian refinery or oil loading facility was chosen as it was best exposed to approach by submarine. According to the magazine artical the cannon had a inbore explosion on the first shot. The crew continued with the lighter standard deck gun and set a oil tank or two on fire. The book may not have mentioned the deck gun malfunction.

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Carl, many thanks.

Post by robdab » 10 Jun 2007 04:40

Any idea of the year and/or location ?

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Post by Carl Schwamberger » 10 Jun 2007 07:43

No, sorry. My best guess is 1942 for the attack.

I'd recomend asking on the Kriegsmarine discussion board & similar boards, or searching the web sites for the German submarine history.

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Carl, thanks again.

Post by robdab » 11 Jun 2007 02:39

I'm happiest when in hot persuit of some mystery and now you have provided me with one ! Robert

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Post by Carl Schwamberger » 11 Jun 2007 03:09

Heres a clue posted on the Feldgrau sites discussion board.

http://www.feldgrau.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=25810

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Housekeeping

Post by robdab » 28 Sep 2007 06:28

Just a post to keep this thread near the top of the list.

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Post by Visionist » 17 Nov 2007 13:46

Great eye opening thread, bump.

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Post by robdab » 07 Feb 2008 04:18

Just another bump.

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Post by ChristopherPerrien » 07 Feb 2008 05:38

robdab wrote:Just another bump.
Waking up the trolls, is more like it.

With that, I have gone back and looked both the Oahu and the Evaluation threads ,and I must say they are two really good threads, lots of "stuff" in them.

Have y'all been pursuing these discussions on other forums?

Chris

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Post by colchekov19 » 07 Feb 2008 15:12

Instead of using a blockship to block PH is it possible to use a ship filled with munitions to blow up at the channel like the one at Halifax harbour.

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Post by LWD » 07 Feb 2008 15:43

One of the problems with either is that the Pearl is a miliatry harbor only. As such getting either a block ship or a bomb ship into the harbor would be very difficult. The bomb ship also would tend not to block the harbor entrance very well.
Take a look at the map at:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=Pea ... a=N&tab=wl

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Post by ChristopherPerrien » 07 Feb 2008 16:48

colchekov19 wrote:Instead of using a blockship to block PH is it possible to use a ship filled with munitions to blow up at the channel like the one at Halifax harbour.
This has been discussed before.

No, for one, the channell was covered by coast defence artillery with far greater range than just the channel dregded into Pearl Harbor. As the dept of water increases quickly outside Pearl harbor , a ship would have to brave alot of fire just to make the Channel. Firing arcs of CD guns have been linked earlier. Also the USN kept at least one destroyer on sentry duty outside of the Harbor to guard against subs, so any "Kamikaze ship" , would have to engage both CD guns and at least one US destroyer. Plus there was a boom defence at the mouth of the channel. The scenario discussed was for a "blockship", an explosive ship would defeat the pupose as the height/draft of the ship is what would block the channel,

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Post by LWD » 07 Feb 2008 17:22

Weren't there also mine fields outside the harbor?

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Post by ChristopherPerrien » 09 Feb 2008 13:49

LWD wrote:Weren't there also mine fields outside the harbor?

I don't think so, I have never seen it mentioned.

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