German South American Allies?

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German South American Allies?

Post by peter_suciu » 22 Dec 2002 21:01

During the 1930s various South American countries fought a bunch of small wars. Would the United States have protested if the Germans sent "volunteers" to help Peru against Boliva?

And what kind of situation does this open up if Peru allowed Germany and possibly Japan access to refueling before the war? If the US didn't protest and Germany offered aid I could see South America becoming a little more involved in WWII.

Possibly Argentina and Peru against Chile and Boliva, maybe with Brazil joining the Allies as they did anyway. The result might be that US would be even more strapped as it would have to send additional support to South America to help Chile and Boliva.

If this is the case of a truly global conflict I also see some other fence sitters like Spain deciding they need to choose a side. Any comments?

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Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 22 Dec 2002 22:37

Since most South American countries were against Germany in World War I (although their combat effort was not all that significant :P),I don't think that Germany would have any desire to help them...

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Post by Caldric » 22 Dec 2002 22:55

The fact is after 1942 everyone knew who was going to win WWII, they would have been insane to throw in with the Germans. Well everyone but the Germans and Japan.

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Italy was against Germany in WWI

Post by peter_suciu » 22 Dec 2002 23:31

I think we need to consider that Italy was against Germany in WWI, as was Japan. In fact many of the Pacific islands that Japan picked up were German colonies.

I don't believe any German aircraft could actually fly directly to South America but after France fell some of the Vichy colonies might have allowed the Germans to get planes to South America. That could make things very interesting for convoys and would require the US to make sure to really step up the protection of the Panama Cannal.

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Post by TIBERIVS » 23 Dec 2002 00:11

Since most South American countries were against Germany in World War I (although their combat effort was not all that significant ),I don't think that Germany would have any desire to help them...
True, but it would be of benefit for the Germans to have an ally or a national socialist puppet government on American soil.In preparation for the invasion of N.America .But then again this would have been a long term goal.Something the Germans would have planned after the conquest of Europe.

The Japanese however, I think would have definetly made a diference by having an ally down there.They could have made bombing runs on the Panama Canal.

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Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 23 Dec 2002 00:59

That would mean attacking through Mexico first, and Mexico didn't come out the winner in the previous battle. Still, it's a good point, and most of the Nazis escaped to South America anyway ;)

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Post by Miss Nimitz » 24 Dec 2002 02:40

I dont know if South America was much good in helping Hitler, but I dont know why Spain didnt'?They could of taken parts of France and minded the coast to relieve the Best army in history to do what they had to do.

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Post by Caldric » 24 Dec 2002 02:57

Miss Nimitz wrote:I dont know if South America was much good in helping Hitler, but I dont know why Spain didnt'?They could of taken parts of France and minded the coast to relieve the Best army in history to do what they had to do.
Franco was smarter then that, he had no delusions of grandeur, to take sides with the Germans would have meant going to war with USSR/USA/UK/Commonwealth nations. Only a arrogant egotistical person would do such a thing, someone like Hitler. Perhaps someone insane.

And the Germany army was not the best in History, most of the best in history won most of their wars.

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Post by Mike K. » 24 Dec 2002 10:17

Canaris' trip to Spain contributed to Spain's neutrality, as he frankly stated to Franco Germany would lose the war and warned not to cooperate with Hitler.

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Post by TIBERIVS » 25 Dec 2002 00:01

Nimitz wrote
They could of taken parts of France and minded the coast to relieve the Best army in history to do what they had to do.
Caldric wrote
And the Germany army was not the best in History, most of the best in history won most of their wars.
Best army in history!!!! :lol: :lol: No I think the Romans lead our poll for best army in history, they had 6 votes last time I checked :D .


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Canaris' trip to Spain contributed to Spain's neutrality, as he frankly stated to Franco Germany would lose the war and warned not to cooperate with Hitler
Wise choice,I think, but would it have made a diference? I mean look at Spain after the War, 3rd world country up until the late 70's or 80's. By the way , I think canaris was exucuted for treason, if so did this have anything to do with it?

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Post by Miss Nimitz » 25 Dec 2002 00:37

Hitler helped Franco win the civil war , so Franco should of repayed him with at least a token force..100,000 soldiers or so.

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Post by Gyles » 25 Dec 2002 01:09

You just don't get it do you.

Joining Hitler meant Spain would be subject to bombing, invasion and post-war occupation. Not to mention that the Spanish had no real airforce army or navy with which to counter the Allies.

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Post by Mike K. » 25 Dec 2002 01:19

By the way , I think canaris was exucuted for treason, if so did this have anything to do with it?
Canaris had been conspiring against and undermining Hitler since the Night of Long Knives. He was dismissed in Feb. 1944, and killed in 1945 after the General's assassination attempt sent out a shockwave of arrests and executions.

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Post by Der Schwarze Ritter » 26 Dec 2002 08:07

Hitler helped Franco win the civil war , so Franco should of repayed him with at least a token force..100,000 soldiers or so.

Haven't you heard of the Blue Division, it may have not been 100,000 soldiers but they fought like 100,000 soldiers.

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Post by Victor » 26 Dec 2002 11:43

Gyles wrote: Joining Hitler meant Spain would be subject to bombing, invasion and post-war occupation. Not to mention that the Spanish had no real airforce army or navy with which to counter the Allies.
Those would not really be necessary. Spain was dependent on imports from the US, including food. The Axis was in no position to replace the US in that position. Nor could it arm and supply the Spanish army. Franco actually had no option.

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