Erie/Ireland invaded by Germany 1940

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Re: Erie/Ireland invaded by Germany 1940

Post by pacifritz » 08 Jul 2011 22:43

Thanks for clearing that up, phylo: I 've only been on the forum just over a day, but I'm trying to balance out the experiences of suppressed minorities, be they Irish, Jewish or Scottish or Welsh..or English.

We all would have suffered under the Nazi Jackboot.



Lack of potato produce would have been the least of all our worries!

I freely admit I know a lot more about WW2 than I do about Irish affairs, but get this:


The IRA bombed London during the worst of the Blitz, I do know that.

It wasn't widely reported as the damage was 'small beer' compared to the devastation meted out by the Luftwaffe.

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Re: Erie/Ireland invaded by Germany 1940

Post by glenn239 » 09 Jul 2011 14:53

In other words - there were many mistakes, many errors and individual acts of ill-will, but they tried as best they knew,

Here,


http://books.google.ca/books?id=9D4rAAA ... 60&f=false

It indicates that in 1860 the French budget was 73,000,000 pounds sterling. A 100,000 pound purchase in the US looks pretty paltry.

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Re: Erie/Ireland invaded by Germany 1940

Post by PF » 09 Jul 2011 15:01

Hitler would not have refrained from invading Ireland--or any other "neutral Country" {Spain, Portugal, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey} as long as they had Jews...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference
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Re: Erie/Ireland invaded by Germany 1940

Post by pacifritz » 09 Jul 2011 19:54

My sentiments exactly, PF. The only thing the Neutral countries had going for them is the fact they would have been the last to be invaded.

But their time would surely have come.

4000 Irish Jews......I thought 2000, but either way, enough for the Nazis to seek them out.

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Re: Erie/Ireland invaded by Germany 1940

Post by Andy H » 09 Jul 2011 20:59

I don't try and waste my time on here so please dont waste yours by ignoring what I've posted already concerning certain areas, such as the potato famine. They have no place in this WI and thus I have removed some 7posts all about the potato famine

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Re: Erie/Ireland invaded by Germany 1940

Post by pacifritz » 09 Jul 2011 21:14

Didn't Germany unleash the largest Bombing ever seen in Ireland ? 900 casualties in the Belfast Docks raid.......so much for 'neutrality'.

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Re: Erie/Ireland invaded by Germany 1940

Post by Jon G. » 10 Jul 2011 00:09

Belfast is in Northern Ireland. Even I know that.

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Re: Erie/Ireland invaded by Germany 1940

Post by phylo_roadking » 10 Jul 2011 13:24

My sentiments exactly, PF. The only thing the Neutral countries had going for them is the fact they would have been the last to be invaded.

But their time would surely have come.

4000 Irish Jews......I thought 2000, but either way, enough for the Nazis to seek them out.
Strange then that they DIDN'T invade Switzerland for its "18,000" Jews....

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Re: Erie/Ireland invaded by Germany 1940

Post by PeterOT » 11 Jul 2011 10:40

Nor Bulgaria (where a campaign of civil disobedience protected the small jewish community)...or Spain (where Franco refused to deport local jews or refugees)...or Sweden (to whence those pesky Danish Jews escaped). Despite actually having German troops in Finland that nation's small jewish community & virtually all the jewish refugees there escaped persecution (8 were handed over to German authorities). Indeed, even Romania, which ill-treated its jews at home & committed genocide in territory it occupied, did not deport its jews to nazi germany, despite the presence of large numners of German troops.

So, I think we can dismiss this rather bizarre idea & return to all the other bizarre ideas in this thread.

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Re: Erie/Ireland invaded by Germany 1940

Post by pacifritz » 12 Jul 2011 09:46

Jon G. wrote:Belfast is in Northern Ireland. Even I know that.
I still say Belfast is in Ireland, Jon....... on a seperate island from mainland UK . it's not in England, Wales or Scotland.

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Re: Erie/Ireland invaded by Germany 1940

Post by LWD » 12 Jul 2011 13:36

pacifritz wrote:
Jon G. wrote:Belfast is in Northern Ireland. Even I know that.
I still say Belfast is in Ireland, Jon....... on a seperate island from mainland UK . it's not in England, Wales or Scotland.
It is in Ireland but it is part of the United Kingdom along with the rest of Northern Ireland and so not neutral. It is also not part of Eire per the thread title.

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Re: Erie/Ireland invaded by Germany 1940

Post by phylo_roadking » 12 Jul 2011 17:29

Didn't Germany unleash the largest Bombing ever seen in Ireland ? 900 casualties in the Belfast Docks raid.......so much for 'neutrality'
Northern Ireland (and by default Belfast) may be ON Ireland....but it is most definitely not IN Ireland, as in Eire, as in the Neutral Bit.

NOR was Northern Ireland neutral.
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Re: Erie/Ireland invaded by Germany 1940

Post by pacifritz » 15 Jul 2011 22:29

My original point was that the biggest bombing ever seen in Ireland was by the Nazis.......I still stick by this. Man-made borders in Ireland would have accounted for nothing if the Germans invaded: they would have wanted the whole island if they landed, not just the North.

If important targets had happened to be in the South, they would have bombed there. Dublin was bombed, though this may just have been the dumping of bombs. But Hitler never apologized for bombing the South as far as I can gather. Again, so much for 'neutrality'.

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Re: Erie/Ireland invaded by Germany 1940

Post by phylo_roadking » 15 Jul 2011 22:49

The problem is - you're talking about TWO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS...

1/ the Historical scenario where Ireland WAS and is divided into two political entities, one at war with Germany....and one not, and Neutral. When Belfast was historically bombed - it was NOT in the political entity that was Ireland/Eire.

2/ the Alternative Timeline scenario - where ALL of Ireland, the island, both Nothern Ireland and Eire, would have been a target for German action during an invasion.

But THAT was NOT the situation that pertained at the time of the 1941 German raids on Belfast.

Keep the two separate please. In a What-If you're comparing one against the other, not blurring the boundaries of historical reality :roll:
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Re: Erie/Ireland invaded by Germany 1940

Post by PF » 15 Feb 2014 18:36

Postscript:
An alternatice history of Ireland from 1943
http://www.jasonomahony.ie/Sharp_turn_o ... k_Road.pdf

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