Would there have been any Third Reich if...

[Irminsul]

Disclaimer: I'm new here and I hope that I will not bring up topics that you have allready been over and done with. Well I guess we'll just have to see that.

...Hitler had failed to make it to the top inside the NSDAP? Would Röhm or Göring perhaps had the same inpact on the german voters as Hitler obviously had?

What I also would like to know is if you think that the leftish ideology of the Strasser-brothers would have spared Germany participation in the second World War?

Thank you - with regards...

...Irminsul

[Caldric]

Without Hitler there would never have been a powerful NSDAP, when he joined them they were little more then a few people getting together and drinking beer and complaining about politics. He was arrogant when he stated that He was NSDAP, but he was also speaking the truth, without Hitler they would have never been anything. Rohm and Goreing came to the party because of Hitler.

[Irminsul]

att. Caldric

I guess you are right on the matter of Hitler and the Beer Hall Revolutionaries - sort of like the sixties and the left really. A lot of talk about socialist revolution but not that much socialist revolution being done.

But if I put it this way instead - do you think that the Strasser-brothers and the leftist wing of NSDAP might have been able to implement anything similar to the Third Reich?

[Tom Stahler]

On my opinion, probably not... but I hardly 'd see how they would have been able to take the power... Gregor and Otto both do not agree.

[Irminsul]

att. Tom Stahler

Well I'm not quite following what you mean but if I get it right I'm sure you are right. The turn that brought Hitler into absolute power of the NSDAP was what made their path to power possible. Although I guess that if the NSDAP had been more leftish (as the Strasser-brothers ideology were) then the war could have been avoided.

Thanks for you'r replies!

[davethelight]

Who were the Strasser brothers?

[Nagelfar]

Who were the Strasser brothers?

I've heard Gregor Strasser best described as the "Trotsky" of National Socialism. he was one Hitler had singled out to be killed during the night of long knives. his 'socialism' didnt quite agree with Hitler's, though he was still a Nationalist nonetheless. I think, had Strasser come to power, it would have simply made germany part of the Soviet Bloc, as having read 'Dialectical Materialism', It seems the Strasserist Nazism was quite like Stalin's own "Socialist in form, National in content" theories.

Otto Strasser wrote political theory for National Socialism, his own thoughts on it, but was spared Hitlers wrath as he wasnt as openly disagreeing with the turn things took as was his brother

[davethelight]

Cheers