What if Germany got info about D-day 24 hours beforeit came?

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What if Germany got info about D-day 24 hours beforeit came?

Post by Madsen » 24 Jan 2003 23:35

The invation was planned at the 5. but weather forecast was too bad and the whole invation fleet turned and and waited 24 hours. What if Hitler and Germany got info about the invation then and actually beliive the info.
could they then beat the Overlord back into the ocean?

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Post by 1939 » 25 Jan 2003 01:39

Germans did have information about D day. There wasn't any bigger resistance because the eastern front was taking 70% of troops.

I bet that the Allies wouldn't have guts to invade if Hitler wasn't stucki in Russia.

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Post by Madsen » 25 Jan 2003 02:45

true. But the invationforce had the greatest chanche to fail just at the moment they landed. if the germans had a day to bring men and weapons to Normandy and the LZ then the invation would bee much harder. just remember that Omaha Beach nearly was given up by american's.

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Post by davethelight » 25 Jan 2003 03:21

This has been covered quite a few times before.

Hitler foolishly thought the Allies would only ever launch a diversionary attack on Normandy and the real attack at Calais.

So 24 hours notice wouldn't have made any difference at all, unless you could change Hitler's point of view. Near impossible!

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Post by Napoli » 25 Jan 2003 04:51

I'd say the same as Dave.

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Post by Gwynn Compton » 25 Jan 2003 11:15

Agreed. Hitler was so fixated on the one possibility that he largely ignored all others. He had a habit of becoming fixated on things though, so it would be rather hard to change his opinion.

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Post by Madsen » 25 Jan 2003 14:11

You're right. Hotler didn't belive that the invation could come in Normandy.
But as i say first. what if he did get info that the invation was underway and actually change his mind about Normandy and acted out of that.
sorry if this been disc before

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Post by 4LOM » 26 Jan 2003 07:36

even a week after DDay hitler still thought the operation was a rouse.

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Post by wenty » 26 Jan 2003 11:42

Hitler didn't even find out about D-Day until June 13th. But i think that if he had of had solid evidence 24 hours before the invasion he would have concentrated most of the forces to the Normandy area rather that the Pas-De-Calais region. The reason for this was he believed the allies would cross at the narrowest point which was that but they crossed at the Longest point in the finish and the Germans were taken partly by suprise but responded quickly and the allies were in a lot of trouble to start with due to the German resistance. Cheers. :)

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Post by Madsen » 26 Jan 2003 23:13

Just what i thought. and as i posted in the start. IF Hitler did belive it.
remember that there was a very critical moment when all soldiers had to run from the LCI and LCV against well defended german positions. even with most of their artillery knocked out thei still give the allied troops a hell of a fight. and one of the reason for the sucsess of D-Day was that French partisans blow up comunication. but that problem would bee smaller if the german already had passed the brigdes and railway that were blown up. Cheers

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Post by Qvist » 27 Jan 2003 11:18

The Germans did not know that the invasion would come on the 6th, and certainly not where.

The what-if is what if they had found out 24 hours before? The question then is, found out what exactly? If they just knew an invaion would come, but not exactly where, they likely would not have done much more than put all units on alert. This would have produced a shorter reaction time, but likely not to any major effect. If there was pre-knowledge of exactly WHERE, then it's a different story.

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Post by Tim Smith » 27 Jan 2003 11:33

Anyone seen the film 'Eye of the Needle' with Donald Sutherland? He plays a German spy who discovers that Patton's 'army' preparing to invade the Pas De Calais is fake, and tries to escape back to Germany via the Orkneys. Needless to say, he doesn't make it.

If a German agent had been able to get news back to Berlin about the fake army, Hitler might have realised that the true target was Normandy and sited more forces in that area. If those forces were near the coast rather than way back in reserve, that would give the Germans a reasonable chance of defeating the invasion.

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Post by 4LOM » 27 Jan 2003 12:21

i always liked the stories of SAS operatives, who parachuted into the Pas de Calais with gramaphone players (record players) and played the "sounds of war" on them.
This must be the earliest documented occurences of DJing in a field, and thus a pre cursor to the rave. Although their music selection is not my favorite :(
Benzidrene tablet anyone?

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Post by Madsen » 27 Jan 2003 16:01

the Germans knew there would bee an invation. But not were and when,
therefor they foritfied the atlantic wall and the channel coast. the strongest defence was around Pas de Calais where the distance to England was short.
But whole Normandy coast was a big fortress. and huge formations in Reserve in the rear. Like Tim say: if a German Agent(Who Hitler Would/could belive) did sucseed in getting report back to Berlin that a
Invation force was heading for Normandy at the time they sail from England then they would get 24 hours moore to get moore troops out to Normandy coast. French Partisans couldn't blow up comunications too soon, then Germany would know something was going on. D-Day was 5. June but the weather was so bad that day so they delayed it to the 6.
that 24 hour could in my oppinion mean allot for those soldiers running onshore that day.

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Post by peter_suciu » 27 Jan 2003 16:57

If a German agent had been able to get news back to Berlin about the fake army, Hitler might have realised that the true target was Normandy and sited more forces in that area. If those forces were near the coast rather than way back in reserve, that would give the Germans a reasonable chance of defeating the invasion.
Part of the point of the fake army was to convince the Germans that there was a larger force than there actually was; so if the Germans found out that it was a fake they might have thought the forces in the south were a fake too.

Also, there was another "fake" army in Scotland trying to convince the Germans that there might be an attack in Norway. The problem the Germans had was that they just had too much land to defend. He who defends everything, defends nothing as Napoleon said. Hitler didn't want to give up an inch of land and that meant that even if they had a good idea that the invasion might come at Normandy it wouldn't make sense to move the panzers from Calais.

I further agree with the earlier post...it was impossible to move units during day time. If the Germans did start to move the Panzers from Calais to Normandy, then it might have allowed the Allies to bomb them from the sky anyway as they had control over the skies.

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