What if Russia hadn't gone communist would it have survived?

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Re: What if Russia hadn't gone communist would it have survived?

Post by AriX » 27 Jan 2019 00:14

No coomies - no industrialization.
No industrialization - shure no victory in WW2 for russkiz.

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Re: What if Russia hadn't gone communist would it have survived?

Post by Hiryu- » 27 Jan 2019 00:40

No coomies - no red scare to push the nazis to power in 1933.
No coomies - no Molotov-Ribbentrop pact but an English/French/Russian alliance that would've deterred the nazis to attack.

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Re: What if Russia hadn't gone communist would it have survived?

Post by wm » 27 Jan 2019 01:05

AriX wrote:No coomies - no industrialization
Yes, because non-commie Russians didn't know how to produce things :)

Actually, in the twentieth and in the thirties, capitalist countries outperformed the USSR.
Even the equally poor in 1918 Greece achieved greater industrialization. The USSR was powerful only thanks to its sheer size.

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Re: What if Russia hadn't gone communist would it have survived?

Post by henryk » 27 Jan 2019 20:46

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%81%C3%B3d%C5%BA
Edited to shorten.
Łódź first appears in the written record in a 1332 document giving the village of Łodzia to the bishops of Włocławek. In 1423 King Władysław II Jagiełło officially granted city rights to the village of Łódź. From then until the 18th century the town remained a small settlement on a trade route between the provinces of Masovia and Silesia. In the 16th century the town had fewer than 800 inhabitants, mostly working on the surrounding grain farms.

With the second partition of Poland in 1793, Łódź became part of the Kingdom of Prussia's province of South Prussia, and was known in German as Lodsch. In 1798 the Prussians nationalised the town, and it lost its status as a town of the bishops of Kuyavia. In 1806 Łódź joined the Napoleonic Duchy of Warsaw and in 1810 it had approximately 190 inhabitants. After the 1815 Congress of Vienna treaty it became part of the Congress Kingdom of Poland, a client state of the Russian Empire

Century of partitions: 1815 Congress of Vienna

In the 1815 treaty, it was planned to renew the dilapidated town and with the 1816 decree by the Czar a number of German immigrants received territory deeds for them to clear the land and to build factories and housing. In 1820 Stanisław Staszic aided in changing the small town into a modern industrial centre. The immigrants came to the Promised Land (Ziemia obiecana, the city's nickname) from all over Europe. Mostly they arrived from Saxony, Silesia and Bohemia, but also from countries as far away as Portugal, England, France and Ireland. The first cotton mill opened in 1825, and 14 years later the very first steam-powered factory in both Poland and the Russian Empire commenced operations. In 1839, over 78% of the population was German,[11] and German schools and churches were established.

A constant influx of workers, businessmen and craftsmen from all over Europe transformed Łódź into the main textile production centre of the mighty Russian Empire spanning from East-Central Europe all the way to Alaska. Three groups dominated the city's population and contributed the most to the city's development: Poles, Germans and Jews, who started to arrive from 1848. Many of the Łódź craftspeople were weavers from Upper and Lower Silesia.

In 1850, Russia abolished the customs barrier between Congress Poland and Russia proper and therefore industry in Łódź could now develop freely with a huge Russian market not far away. Eventually the city became the second-largest city of Congress Poland. In 1865 the first railroad line opened (to Koluszki, branch line of the Warsaw–Vienna railway), and soon the city had rail links with Warsaw and Białystok.

Between 1823 and 1873, the city's population doubled every ten years. The years 1870–1890 marked the period of most intense industrial development in the city's modern history. Many of the industrialists were of Jewish ethnicity. Łódź also soon became a major centre of the socialist movement. In 1892 a huge strike paralyzed most of the factories and manufacturing plants. According to the Russian census of 1897, in which Łódź figured as the fifth-largest city of the Russian Empire,[14] out of the total population of 315,000, Jews constituted 99,000 (around 31% percent).[15] During the 1905 Revolution, in what became known as the June Days or Łódź insurrection, Tsarist police killed hundreds of workers.[16] By 1913, the Poles constituted almost half of the population (49.7%), the German minority had fallen to 14.8%, and the Jews made up 34%, out of some 506,000 inhabitants.[11] Historical population
Year Inhabitants

1793 190
1806 767
1830 4,300
1850 15,800
1880 77,600
1905 343,900
1925 538,600
1988 854,261
2003 781,900
2007 753,192
2009 742,387
2013 715,360
2016 698,688

Despite the air of impending crisis preceding World War I, the city grew constantly until 1914. By that year it had become one of the most densely populated as well as one of the most polluted industrial cities in the world—13,280 inhabitants per square kilometre (34,400/sq mi).

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