A Judeophilic (philo-Semitic) Adolf Hitler

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Re: A Judeophilic (philo-Semitic) Adolf Hitler

Post by maltesefalcon » 14 Aug 2018 03:45

wm wrote:
13 Aug 2018 21:38
A Judeophilic Adolf Hitler would have access to Jews' wealth and resources too, as he had access to Germans' wealth and resources.
In Nazi Germany "all the wheels must have rolled for the victory", it wasn't like someone could refuse to roll.

The resources used for the Holocaust were negligible, they couldn't change anything.
What do you mean by access? Are you seriously suggesting that non-Jewish citizens of the Reich routinely had their businesses sold out from under them, their assets and art collections seized etc etc.

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Post by Robert Rojas » 14 Aug 2018 05:37

Greetings to both brother Futurist and the community as a whole. Howdy Futurist (or Alvin Toffler is you so prefer)! Well sir, in deference to your point OR points-of-view as articulated within your introductory posting of Sunday - August 14, 2016 - 3:18pm, old yours truly must duly concede that this epic creation of yours is one for the books! With that said, old Uncle Bob would like to broach an issue that has not been addressed within your broad reaching treatise. That issue are THE internecine perceptions and attitudes of the Ashkenazi, Mizrahi and Sephardic communities as THEY assimilate within the NEW ORDER of Europe's recently established Fascist Commonwealth. The teachings of the Talmud notwithstanding, will these disparate groups enthusiastically embrace OR passionately reject the philosophical outlook of Italian Fascism in general and German National Socialism in particular? Now, every group of people has its collaborative fringe element, but I do have quite a difficult time envisioning the preponderance of European Jewry acquiescing to the clearly immoral nihilism of Europe's NEW ORDER. The ideological tenets of National Socialism stand in stark contrast with the Decalogue. After all, it is one thing to KILL for the Fatherland, but it is quite another thing to MURDER for the Fatherland. Adolf Hitler is barking up the wrong tree if he perceives that the majority of his citizens that are of the Hebraic persuasion will act as his willing executioners. As it is touted within the Hebrew National hotdog television commercials, THEY HAVE TO ANSWER TO A HIGHER AUTHORITY! There is much that I could expound upon, but I'll leave that morass for another day. Well, that's my initial two cents or pfennigs worth on this hypothetical exercise into the bizarre - for now anyway. In any case, I would like to bid you an especially copacetic day over in your corner of our once glorious Golden State of California. Mazel Tov!

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Re: A Judeophilic (philo-Semitic) Adolf Hitler

Post by South » 14 Aug 2018 21:22

Good afternoon Uncle Bob,

ROFL ! Hebrew National brand hot dogs !!

Would it be appropriate to add a category 4 to the list of communities ?

If so, please consider and contemplate adding: - Yevsektsia - .

I do have reservations to my aforesaid suggestion because it is surely less of a fringe element and more so something akin to a growth industry.

One aspect of historical evidence I can immediately think of was a term coined by national broadcast commentator Dr Michael Savage of San Francisco. The term: "Boca Raton Bolsheviks".


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RE: The Good, The Bad And The Ugly.

Post by Robert Rojas » 15 Aug 2018 07:15

Greetings to both brother South and the community as a whole. Howdy Bob! Well sir, in respect to your posting of Tuesday - August 14, 2018 - 12:22pm, old yours truly is of the school of thought that the thorny matter of the YEVSEKTSIA falls well out of the scope of brother Futurist's exercise in Hitlerian Judeophilia. As you undoubtedly know, the YEVSEKTSIA was a creation that was unique to Joseph Stalin's Workers Paradise and had no direct bearing on Adolf Hitler's "benevolent" attitude towards the disparate Hebraic minions under his "enlightened" tutelage. The YEVSEKTSIA was the strong armed organization managed by that picked element of Soviet Jewry entrusted to keep the body politic of greater Soviet Jewry in line with the policies of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. As history and Joseph Stalin's paranoia would have it, the "entrusted" apparatchiks of the YEVSEKTSIA would inevitably succumb to the tender mercies of the N.K.V.D. during one of the General Secretary's extraneous purges. So much for a growth industry! Beyond that, I will forego interjecting any personal commentary on contemporary political matters - even though I'm damned tempted to do so! Well, that's my latest two cents or kopecks worth on this expansive topic of interest - for now anyway. In any case, I would like to bid you an especially copacetic day over in the Old Dominion that is the Commonwealth of Virginia.

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Re: A Judeophilic (philo-Semitic) Adolf Hitler

Post by wm » 15 Aug 2018 11:16

Jewish fascists were quite numerous (the Betar Movement - 40,000 in Poland) led by the "little-Hitler" Ze'ev Jabotinsky.
But generally, the Jews were incredibly and even proverbially politically fragmented (Ask two Jews, get three opinions). They weren't even unanimous in support of that Palestinian project.
But even Jabotinsky wouldn't support such a fascist endeavor for free. He wanted Palestine, and Hitler didn't have it.

But as to "his citizens that are of the Hebraic persuasion will act as his willing executioners" - the Geman Jews were very patriotic, and this is confirmed by many writings of Polish Jews who had the pleasure to meet and confront them when they had been deported to Polish ghettos. They would fight for Germany as the Germans were fighting.

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RE: The Good, The Bad And The Ugly.

Post by Robert Rojas » 17 Aug 2018 06:56

Greetings to both citizen 'wm' and the community as a whole. Howdy 'wm'! Well sir, in deference to your point OR points-of-view as articulated within your posting of Wednesday - August 15, 2018 - 2:16am, old yours truly would really appreciate it if you could offer a wee bit of clarification on the ideological bent of the BETAR MOVEMENT and its titular leader Ze'ev Jabotinsky. Which of Europe's Fascist or Fascist leaning Ideologies had the greatest influence among the disparate membership of Poland's Betar Movement? Which Fascist personality or Fascist leaning personality did Ze'ev Jabotinsky best identify with? For whatever the reason OR reasons, you chose to characterize Ze'ev Jabotinsky as "LITTLE HITLER". Hyperbole notwithstanding, at ANY GIVEN TIME during the existence of Poland's Betar Movement, did Ze'ev Jabotinsky ever publicly express his admiration and solidarity for the ideological tenets of National Socialism and the personage of Adolf Hitler? Now, I am fully aware that Ze'ev Jabotinsky was, in his own philosophical fashion, a dedicated Zionist and as a dedicated Zionist, Ze'ev Jabotinsky will obviously champion the creation of a Jewish Homeland in what was then the British Mandate of Palestine. In your commentary, you clearly assert that the "PALESTINIAN PROJECT" was a "FASCIST ENDEAVOR". In terms of the mechanics of the "PALESTINIAN PROJECT", what manner of either Fascist or National Socialist ideology manifested itself during the fractious evolution of the "PALESTINIAN PROJECT"? In terms of geopolitical extrapolation, would Ze'ev Jabotinsky be content with his new found State of Israel if it simply became an extraterritorial satrapy of Europe's Fascist Commonwealth? That is something to ponder! On an incidental note, following brother Futurist's vision of Adolf Hitler's Judeophilia, I rather imagine that the Fatherland's Ashkenazi Constituency will GO ALONG TO GET ALONG. Like their conscripted gentile counterparts, they will dutifully serve out their military obligations and return to civilian life as soon as humanly possible. After all, reluctant patriotism is one thing while rabid nationalism is quite another thing. It's just some sobering food for thought. Chicken soup anyone? Well, that's my latest two cents or pfennigs worth on this expansive topic of interest - for now anyway. In any case, I would like to bid you an especially copacetic day over in the ever enduring land of Poland.

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Re: RE: The Good, The Bad And The Ugly.

Post by wm » 17 Aug 2018 10:47

Robert Rojas wrote:
17 Aug 2018 06:56
For whatever the reason OR reasons, you chose to characterize Ze'ev Jabotinsky as "LITTLE HITLER".
Dear, Uncle :)

I called him "Hitler" and "fascist" because his Jewish political enemies did that all the time.
We might imagine him as Trump and the Democrats as his enemies.

But that is not quite accurate because he more or less modeled his movement on Italian fascism (and Polish pre-ww1 armed resistance movements).
Nothing wrong with that, it was something new, lots of people were fascinating by fascism (not many by Nazism) - in a world ravaged by the Great Depression it seemed it was the only political system which worked (at least trains ran on time :) ).

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Re: A Judeophilic (philo-Semitic) Adolf Hitler

Post by wm » 17 Aug 2018 11:02

maltesefalcon wrote:
14 Aug 2018 03:45
What do you mean by access? Are you seriously suggesting that non-Jewish citizens of the Reich routinely had their businesses sold out from under them, their assets and art collections seized etc etc.
A Jewish business in Germany contributed to the German economy, the same business confiscated by the state contributed too.
Germany's wealth was a sum of such businesses, it didn't matter who was the owner.
You can't get richer by moving money from one pocket of your pants to another.

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RE: The Good, The Bad And The Ugly.

Post by Robert Rojas » 17 Aug 2018 22:14

Greetings to both citizen 'wm' and the community as a whole. Howdy 'wm'! Well sir, in respect to your posting of Friday - August 17, 2018 - 1:47am, old yours truly would like to convey my appreciation for your points of clarification regarding Poland's Betar Movement and its titular leader Ze'ev Jabotinsky. And yes, given both the economic and societal circumstances of the era, it is not all that surprising that elements within Poland's Betar Movement might be attracted to the philosophies expounded by Benito Mussolini of Italy and possibly Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera of Spain. Simply stated, I had more than my fair share of reservations about Poland's Betar Movement EVER reconciling itself with the clearly xenophobic philosophy expounded by Adolf Hitler of Germany. Incidentally, I also had a good laugh with your analogy gravitating upon President Donald Trump and the Democrat Party! Well, that's my latest two cents of pfennigs worth on this expansive topic of interest - for now anyway. In any case, I would like to bid you an especially copacetic day over in the ever enduring land of Poland.

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Re: A Judeophilic (philo-Semitic) Adolf Hitler

Post by BDV » 18 Aug 2018 15:46

wm wrote: A Jewish business in Germany contributed to the German economy, the same business confiscated by the state contributed too.
Germany's wealth was a sum of such businesses, it didn't matter who was the owner.
You can't get richer by moving money from one pocket of your pants to another.
However, a business run poorly is a step back from the previous state of affairs. And that is alleged to have happened; in the words of Horthy, a man with unblemished fascist creed, by giving Jewish businesses to "loudmouth, mostly unworthy elements," fascist state "will become poor."

The virulence of German Nazi antisemitismus is truly unique, a virulence that does not appear a sine-qua-non of Fascismus, judging by the example of ALL other fascist and Axis regimes. So, Whif "Adolf tones it down three notches" is a reasonable inquiry, within the realm of possible
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Re: A Judeophilic (philo-Semitic) Adolf Hitler

Post by maltesefalcon » 19 Aug 2018 16:50

wm wrote:
17 Aug 2018 11:02
maltesefalcon wrote:
14 Aug 2018 03:45
What do you mean by access? Are you seriously suggesting that non-Jewish citizens of the Reich routinely had their businesses sold out from under them, their assets and art collections seized etc etc.
A Jewish business in Germany contributed to the German economy, the same business confiscated by the state contributed too.
Germany's wealth was a sum of such businesses, it didn't matter who was the owner.
You can't get richer by moving money from one pocket of your pants to another.
The point was not to get richer, but to convert wealth from the private sector into the military budget of the government. It was to seize assets as well as businesses. The Nazi regime stole Jewish peoples art, homes and life savings in many cases. The articles were then sold at at reduced cost to Aryans. This new form of "taxation" was not a mechanism applicable to the rest of the Reich, so yes they garnered more.

Not only that Jews were denied most state services, so the seized assets were spread about a smaller portion of the population.
The Reich was so hungry for Jewish money, in many cases they even extracted train fare from people who were being transported to the death camps.

Add to that their slave labour, which would not have been possible in a more tolerant regime.

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Re: A Judeophilic (philo-Semitic) Adolf Hitler

Post by wm » 19 Aug 2018 20:00

It's true that the transfer reduced inflation by removing lots of money from the economy, and that was a good thing.
But the production capacity of Germany didn't change, it remained the same.

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Re: A Judeophilic (philo-Semitic) Adolf Hitler

Post by maltesefalcon » 19 Aug 2018 20:38

Goods and services come from two sources, foreign and domestic. Domestic goods could be gotten through devalued money and promissary notes. Foreign sources required hard cash. The predations of the Nazi regime allowed Germany to purchase oil, iron, tin, rubber and other goods from foreign nations.
So even if Germany's manufacturing capacity stayed the same they could build up their forces from outside sources.

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Re: A Judeophilic (philo-Semitic) Adolf Hitler

Post by BDV » 22 Aug 2018 04:15

maltesefalcon wrote: Goods and services come from two sources, foreign and domestic. Domestic goods could be gotten through devalued money and promissary notes.
or through production
Foreign sources required hard cash.
or barter of goods.

Give the means of production to unworthy elements, eat the seed corn (Jewish capital used for barter) and forego jewish economic know how:
get outproduced by USSR in a war of attrition
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Re: A Judeophilic (philo-Semitic) Adolf Hitler

Post by praetorianavis » 22 Aug 2018 07:53

Hitler's Germany was considered a geostrategic menace by the UK and the USA. As a counterreaction to Hitler's penchant for Jews, antisemitism might have flared up in England and in the USA ("the Jews facilitate Hitler's reach for world domination"). The pretexts used by many countries in the Evian conference of 1938 for refusing Jewish immigration tells a lot about the predominant state of mind toward Jews in our TL: "in large numbers they are susceptible to generate antisemitism". In the 1930s Jews were practically excluded from Ivy Leage universities under a hidden "numerus clausus" rule. Against this background, Hitler's support by Germany's Jews would possibly have greatly deteriorated their standing in the UK and the USA.

Under this scenario the US might well be a much different, racist place today.

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