Yoozername wrote:If you would want to make a point, or even better, provide information, hopefully with a time frame/date, that would be even better still.
Here's a point then. Try not to be such an asshole, unless you wish to be treated as one. Then go do some research since your knowledge is remarkably deficient in this area.
Something like 2nd PD lost its tanks sunk and was being refitted and got XYX...etc.
As in this case. 2. Panzer Division lost no tanks...or if it lost any they were Pz II. What it lost on
Kybfels and
Marburg were most of the weapons and vehicles of Artillerie Regiment 74 along with a large chunk of its personnel, most of the armored cars and some vehicles of Pz.A.A. 5. and more personnel, and a good chunk of the vehicles and personnel of Pz.Pi. Btl. 38., along with bits and pieces of other units. Pz. Regt. 3 lost just 2 NCO's and EM in the sinking, along with 2 s.Zgkw. It was the other losses which crippled the division until it was sent to the Ostfront on 14 September, the Panzer regiment had already landed in Taranto with most, if not all, of its tanks.
I would be most interested in Panzer III 5.0cm types, of course. But feel free to share. Also, did any of those receive Panzer IV in 45 AFV quantities?
No, why would they receive them in such quantities when the regimental organization called for a maximum of 42 and none achieved that?
Something like this...for Panzer Regt 31
August 1941 auf acht Kompanien aufgestockt, zwei leichte Kompanien kamen hinzu. Das Regiment bestand dann aus 55 Panzer II, 105 Panzer III, 20 Panzer IV und 6 Befehlspanzern. Zu Beginn der Sommeroffensive 1942 bestand das Regiment aus 26 Panzer II, 55 Panzer III kurz, 13 Panzern IV kurz und 9 Befehlspanzern
It might help if you knew the background. Panzer Regiment 31. was one of the weakest when committed to MARITA. It had two battalions, but with only two medium and four light companies: 9 Pz I, 40 Pz II, 19 Pz III (3.7cm), 32 Pz III (5cm), and 16 Pz IV. It lost 1 Pz I, 10 Pz III, and 2 Pz IV and left its 5. Kompanie behind to form the nucleus of Panzer Abteilung Kreta, leaving it with only 35 Pz II, 17 Pz III (5cm), and 16 Pz IV on 21 June. It received at least 20 Pz II, 88 Pz III (5cm), and 4 Pz IV as replacements 21 June-1 August. Interestingly enough, it was actually planned for a possible "tropical" commitment (i.e., Africa) until September, when it went east.
5. le. Afrika Division....I thought this was a motorized infantry unit that was not tank'd toll '42??
You thought wrong. What you missed:
15. Panzer Division
Panzer Regiment 8. (2 battalions with 4 light and 2 medium companies)
45 Pz II, 71 Pz III (5cm), 20 Pz IV
5. le. Afrika Division
Panzer Regiment 5. And Pz.Jg.Abtl. 605.
29 Pz I, 45 Pz II, 71 Pz III (5cm), 20 Pz IV (includes 10 Pz III, 3 Pz IV arrived 10-14 April as replacements for losses at Naples, 15 Pz III, 5 Pz IV arrived July-August as replacements for losses for both regiments)
There was also Panzer Abteilung z.B.V. 40 with c. 21 Pz I, 16 Pz II and an unknown number of Pz III in Finland.
All told, c. 58 Pz I, 203 Pz II, 47 Pz III (3.7cm), 312 Pz III (5cm), 91 Pz IV in the units you missed, plus 22 June BARBAROSSA strengths of 152 Pz I, 743 Pz II, 265 Pz III (3.7cm), 707 Pz III (5cm), 407 Pz IV, for a grand total of c. 210 Pz I, 946 Pz II, 312 Pz III (3.7cm), 1,019 Pz III (5cm), and 498 Pz IV in combat units or allocated as replacements c. June-July 1941.
WRT the Panzer III (5cm), as of 1 June there were 1,090 in inventory after losses of 4 in May (probably late counts from Marita) and issue of 121 new and 29 rebuilt (from Pz III 3.7cm) of 143 produced in May. On 1 July, on hand increased to 1,174 through losses of 27 and issue of 88 new and 23 rebuilt of 133 produced in June. On 1 August, on hand increased to 1,211 through losses of 164 and issue of 176 new and 25 rebuilt of 127 produced in July.
Issue that can be accounted for in June and July include 88 Pz III (5cm) to Panzer Regiment 31., 15 to Panzer Regiment 5. & 8. in Africa, and 45 as replacements to the Ostfront, just 148 of the 312 issued. I suspect the remainder were probably held for the expected organization of 22. and 23. Panzer Division in September.
