Had Nazi Germany won World War II, how long would the Nazi regime have survived afterwards?

[Futurist]

Had Nazi Germany won World War II (for instance, by having Britain quit in 1941 and then have Nazi Germany defeat the Soviet Union through exhaustion--after all, there will probably be no Lend-Lease in such a scenario), how long would the Nazi regime have survived afterwards?

Would it have survived for several decades like the Soviet Union and its empire did? Or would it have quickly crumbled?

Also, if the Nazi regime in Germany would have eventually collapsed in this scenario, would its successor government have been as committed to Lebensraum as it was? (Indeed, while I doubt that Nazi Germany would have initially been very successful at settling its Lebensraum, please keep in mind that fertility is partly heritable and thus the percentage of high-fertility people among the total population should increase with each generation. Thus, with each generation, it should become easier and easier to settle that Lebensraum--though it would obviously take centuries to complete.)

Any thoughts on all of this?

[sitalkes]

Well with Hitler being a fifty-something year old junkie, how long could he survive on his uppers and downers, being looked after by a quack doctor? If the war was won then Hilter's position would be unassailable and the German opposition would not have been able to do anything - however maybe Hitler would have a heart attack or drug overdose and the regime would become less Nazi? Don't forget that a problem with the Nazi ideology is that it didn't really exist and had too many internal contradictions to make any sense at all, unlike communism, so a Nazi regime could easily change to something else - worse or better? I tend to think that the many stupidities about Nazisim would mean that it could only get better under a different leader. One has to remember how long Franco stayed in power, but what happened after he died.

[ljadw]

Had Nazi Germany won World War II (for instance, by having Britain quit in 1941 and then have Nazi Germany defeat the Soviet Union through exhaustion--after all, there will probably be no Lend-Lease in such a scenario), how long would the Nazi regime have survived afterwards?

Would it have survived for several decades like the Soviet Union and its empire did? Or would it have quickly crumbled?

Also, if the Nazi regime in Germany would have eventually collapsed in this scenario, would its successor government have been as committed to Lebensraum as it was? (Indeed, while I doubt that Nazi Germany would have initially been very successful at settling its Lebensraum, please keep in mind that fertility is partly heritable and thus the percentage of high-fertility people among the total population should increase with each generation. Thus, with each generation, it should become easier and easier to settle that Lebensraum--though it would obviously take centuries to complete.)

Any thoughts on all of this?

The third Reich would have lasted not longer than til 1953.

[South]

Good morning Futurist,

For whatever reason(s) there was a WWII involving Nazi Germany, with or without a Lend-Lease involvement,

to eliminate or minimize the initial reason(s) for WWII, ...

why would not Nazi Germany be the target of an atomic attack ?

Fertility also requires vital signs.

~ Bob
eastern Virginia, USA

[T. A. Gardner]

The only way this might have been possible historically, and it's a pretty big if, is Germany stops after the Fall of France. They focus on defeating Britain, or at least getting a negotiated peace from Britain. This means the Luftwaffe makes a lower level but sustained effort against Britain. In North Africa, the Germans send in additional troops and crush Britain taking Egypt and the Suez Canal.
In the East, the Germans prepare a defensive front with the Soviet Union on their new border.
If the US doesn't get involved in Europe, and the Japanese still attack in 1941 with the same effect and outcome in the early campaign, I suspect Britain might well negotiate a peace with Germany.

I'd think that something like that would allow Germany to last maybe another decade under Nazi rule until the next war when they get obliterated by nukes.

[wm]

Had Nazi Germany won World War II (for instance, by having Britain quit in 1941 and then have Nazi Germany defeat the Soviet Union through exhaustion--after all, there will probably be no Lend-Lease in such a scenario), how long would the Nazi regime have survived afterwards?

There were no reason to attack the USSR in this scenario.

[Futurist]

Had Nazi Germany won World War II (for instance, by having Britain quit in 1941 and then have Nazi Germany defeat the Soviet Union through exhaustion--after all, there will probably be no Lend-Lease in such a scenario), how long would the Nazi regime have survived afterwards?

There were no reason to attack the USSR in this scenario.

Hitler would have still wanted his Lebensraum, no?

[maltesefalcon]

Is it too late to advise this topic is on the banned list per the first post in the Guidelines dated May 10 2005?

[wm]

It's a very interesting topic, it requires lots of brain power and knowledge to say something non-stupid on this subject - it would be a pity if anything happened to it.

Hitler would have still wanted his Lebensraum, no?

He would have Poland, a part of France, Czechoslovakia, Austria, and colonies - he would certainly demand and get colonies. Jews (and probably many Poles) would end up in Madagascar.

And the entire Europe would be his - as a bunch of client states. Lebensraum was political, economic and military freedom of movement not lots of (mostly impoverished) land.
Germany would become a true major power - that was the goal from the beginning.

[Andy H]

Had Nazi Germany won World War II (for instance, by having Britain quit in 1941 and then have Nazi Germany defeat the Soviet Union through exhaustion--after all, there will probably be no Lend-Lease in such a scenario), how long would the Nazi regime have survived afterwards?

Would it have survived for several decades like the Soviet Union and its empire did? Or would it have quickly crumbled?

Hi Futurist

Apolgies for the delay in actually responding to your intial thread opening.

As you may well have seen, this type of Thread isn't allowed under the WI Guidelines, as it doesn't make for any meaningful discussion given the sheer breadth of what may have been.
There is zero chance of a plausible, quantifiable and logical conclusion to any such thread, which often in the past has lead not to heated or passionate debate based upon facts etc but to hate fuelled extreme opinions, when adults forget that they are indeed adults and act like school yard bullies.

Regards

Andy H