Would it have been realistic for Poland to try acquiring the Kresy in this scenario?

[Futurist]

Here is the scenario: France doesn't fall in 1940. Within the next year, Hitler and the Nazis are overthrown and replaced by a military junta of anti-Nazis. The new German government is able to make peace with Britain and France whereby Germany would withdraw from Poland and Czechia but would be allowed to keep both Danzig and the Sudetenland. (What would happen to the Memelland would depend on whether the Soviet Union still occupies the Baltic countries in this scenario.) After the war, both Germany and Poland experience a return to democracy.

Several decades later, the Soviet Union still collapses due to rising nationalist sentiment and due to the unwillingness of its elites to use force in order to preserve it. In such a scenario--and please remember that the U.S. never got involved in World War II in this scenario and is thus still mostly uninvolved in European affairs in this scenario--would Poland try going to war with Ukraine and Belarus in order to recover the Kresy (which are Poland's eastern territories that the Soviet Union conquered in 1939)?

Also, please keep in mind that Poland would be much wealthier in the 1990s in this scenario as a result of it not experiencing decades of Communist rule. In addition, with the U.S. being mostly uninvolved in European affairs in this scenario, Poland would have less of a reason to fear negative repercussions. Finally, in this scenario, Poland is not going to acquire any German territory after the end of World War II and thus won't have that issue to deal with; in contrast, in our TL, there was a very real risk that Germany would raise the question of its lost eastern territories if Poland would have laid a claim on the Kresy.

Anyway, any thoughts on this?

[Futurist]

Also, Poland is going to be in a real pickle in the post-WWII years in this scenario if the Soviet Union tries to repatriate the Poles and Jews living in the Kresy to Poland (which will be deprived of its eastern half due to the Soviet Union conquering it back in 1939). On one hand, Poland probably wouldn't want to force the Poles and Jews in the Kresy to continue enduring Communist tyranny. On the other hand, though, with every Pole and Jew that leaves the Kresy, the weaker Poland's claim to the Kresy becomes.

[Robert Rojas]

Greetings to both brother Futurist and the community as a whole. Howdy Futurist (or Alvin Toffler if you so prefer)! Well sir, in respect to your introductory postings of Friday - August 24, 2018 - 5:39pm AND Friday - August 24, 2018 - 5:43pm, old yours truly was curious if you have envisioned the rise of the rough equivalent of either the European Economic Community or the European Union after the establishment of a lasting "PEACE" in Western and Central Europe following the short lived SECOND GREAT WAR? Along a similar line of thinking, will a potential European Union also retain a collective defense policy replete with weapons of mass destruction? It is my contention (rightly OR wrongly) that these political and economic questions must be clarified before any geopolitical issue between the Polish Republic and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics can be rationally addressed. Finally, in terms of a time line, is your readership dealing with the decade of the 1940's, the 1950's, the 1960's, the 1970's, the 1980's OR the 1990's? It's just a wee bit of speculative food for thought. Kielbasa anyone? Well, that's my initial two Yankee cents worth on this far reaching fishing expedition - for now anyway. In any case, I would like to bid you an especially copacetic day over in your corner of what was once our Golden State of California.


Best Regards,
Uncle Bob

[Futurist]

Greetings to both brother Futurist and the community as a whole. Howdy Futurist (or Alvin Toffler if you so prefer)! Well sir, in respect to your introductory postings of Friday - August 24, 2018 - 5:39pm AND Friday - August 24, 2018 - 5:43pm, old yours truly was curious if you have envisioned the rise of the rough equivalent of either the European Economic Community or the European Union after the establishment of a lasting "PEACE" in Western and Central Europe following the short lived SECOND GREAT WAR? Along a similar line of thinking, will a potential European Union also retain a collective defense policy replete with weapons of mass destruction? It is my contention (rightly OR wrongly) that these political and economic questions must be clarified before any geopolitical issue between the Polish Republic and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics can be rationally addressed. Finally, in terms of a time line, is your readership dealing with the decade of the 1940's, the 1950's, the 1960's, the 1970's, the 1980's OR the 1990's? The times they do change! Well, that's my initial two Yankee cents worth on this far reaching fishing expedition - for now anyway. In any case, I would like to bid you an especially copacetic day over in your corner of what was once our Golden State of California.


Best Regards,
Uncle Bob

The creation of something similar to the European Economic Community in this scenario is certainly very possible--as is the creation of some kind of NATO military alliance.

[Robert Rojas]

Greetings to both brother Futurist and the community as a whole. Howdy Futurist (or Alvin Toffler if you so prefer)! Well sir, in respect to your posting of Friday - August 24, 2018 - 6:24pm, old yours truly believes that we are now at an impasse. Assuming that the Polish Republic is NOW an integral member of both the latter day European Economic Community AND European Defense Community, one must conclude that Warsaw will act in concert with Luxembourg (*) with its territorial disputes with Moscow. In short, Warsaw will NOT act in a unilateral manner which would stand in direct contravention with the overall foreign policy desires of the European Economic Community. I rather suspect (rightly OR wrongly) that Luxembourg (*) will cede the disputed Region of Kresy to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics in exchange for those Polish Citizens (Gentile and Hebraic alike) who express a desire to emigrate to the European Economic Community. In addition, it will also be the desire of the European Defense Community to establish a demilitarized zone between the European Economic Community and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The projected buffer zone would encompass the territory of Lithuania, the Region of Kresy and the Carpathian Mountains. Entry into this buffer zone by either party would constitute an act of war. After all, who in their right frame of mind would desire a THIRD war in Europe? Well, that's my latest two Yankee cents worth on this far reaching fishing expedition - for now anyway. In any case, I would like to bid you an especially copacetic day over in your corner of what was once our Golden State of California.

(*) - I have a weakness for Luxembourg City over Brussels - sorry about that!

Best Regards,
Uncle Bob

[South]

Good morning Futurist,

SEATO and CENTO were kinds of NATO military alliances.

"The times they are achanging".

~ Bob
eastern Virginia, USA