The French March Onto Berlin in 1936

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The French March Onto Berlin in 1936

Post by Futurist » 04 Sep 2018 01:57

What if, instead of only responding with force to Hitler's re-militarization of the Rhineland, the French would have also decided to overthrow Hitler and the Nazi Germany regime (regardless of what Britain thinks) right then and there?

Specifically, France would do this by marching all of the way to Berlin--possibly with the help of its Polish and/or Czechoslovak allies, if they're interested in this--and overthrowing the Nazi German government afterwards. France would then choose a new government for Germany which is more to its liking--perhaps through a restoration of democracy in Germany (but with the Nazis and Communists both being banned). Note: Germany's generals can preempt this French move by overthrowing Hitler and the Nazis; of course, if they fail, their necks are literally going to crack.

Anyway, this would be the French plan in this scenario. How do you think that this scenario would have unfolded?

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Re: The French March Onto Berlin in 1936

Post by Carl Schwamberger » 04 Sep 2018 02:16

Germany surrenders, but a low level gurreillia warfare starts. Thats encouraged by the Communists and Facist fanatics. The German economy collapses, again, the French are bemused by the problem of paying for mobilization of near half their military. The next two winters may threaten to be hunger winters in Germany. The economic effects ricochet about the globe, making the recession of 1937 worse. For creating this mess France is reviled by its former allies. The center dissolves in French politics, and for the next few years either the extreme right of left dominates, or no one dominates and France has a series of ineffective governments.

To resolve the mess a new international conference must be convened to patch together a new settlement for Europe. As with the Dawes Plan and Young Plan US participation is essential as the London banks can't finance recovery on their own. The US has a irresistible incentive to get involved as its banks are not going to collect on their loans if Europe continues to sink.

Recovery occurs in the 1940s, but that may not be enough to avoid yet another European war of some sort. In Asia Japan takes advantage of the moment and invades China in 1937.

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Re: The French March Onto Berlin in 1936

Post by Futurist » 04 Sep 2018 02:22

Carl Schwamberger wrote:
04 Sep 2018 02:16
Germany surrenders, but a low level gurreillia warfare starts. Thats encouraged by the Communists and Facist fanatics. The German economy collapses, again, the French are bemused by the problem of paying for mobilization of near half their military. The next two winters may threaten to be hunger winters in Germany. The economic effects ricochet about the globe, making the recession of 1937 worse. For creating this mess France is reviled by its former allies. The center dissolves in French politics, and for the next few years either the extreme right of left dominates, or no one dominates and France has a series of ineffective governments.

To resolve the mess a new international conference must be convened to patch together a new settlement for Europe. As with the Dawes Plan and Young Plan US participation is essential as the London banks can't finance recovery on their own. The US has a irresistible incentive to get involved as its banks are not going to collect on their loans if Europe continues to sink.

Recovery occurs in the 1940s, but that may not be enough to avoid yet another European war of some sort. In Asia Japan takes advantage of the moment and invades China in 1937.
Just how successful would a German guerilla war against the French be?

Also, I agree with your analysis here. However, I'm curious--what kind of German government do you think the French are able to install? I mean, they could try restoring democracy in Germany but without the Nazis and Communists, but they could also try looking for some German generals who are going to be willing to restore order in Germany without threatening the Versailles settlement like Hitler did.

As for another European war, sure, France is going to be severely hated by the Germans for what it did, but they're going to know that messing with the existing Versailles political order is too risky, no?

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