Could a German invasion of Turkey succeed?

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Re: Could a German invasion of Turkey succeed?

Post by Tom from Cornwall » 18 Sep 2021 19:19

ljadw wrote:
18 Sep 2021 11:05
But, did Britain buy/propose to buy Soviet oil,to reduce the Soviet oil exports to Germany ?
Hi,

I don't know, but it was being discussed within British government circles in November 1939.
CAB63-112- Purchase of Russian Oil - Nov 39 - 1.JPG
CAB63-112- Purchase of Russian Oil - Nov 39 - 2.JPG
If I come across any more details, I'll put them up here.

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Re: Could a German invasion of Turkey succeed?

Post by Tom from Cornwall » 20 Sep 2021 19:52

TheMarcksPlan wrote:
17 Sep 2021 10:27
Conceivably a massive earlier effort could have brought this forward but it's difficult to envision the resources for that effort.
Churchill was disappointed with progress, as can be seen in his message of 16 August 1942 to Clement Atlee (Deputy PM) from Moscow that the Trans-Persian route was only working 'at half what we hoped'. [Source Gilbert, 'The Road to Victory', p.205]

This is one of the early planning documents I have found in CAB63/157.
CAB63-157 - ME Railway Plans - Sep 41 - 1.JPG
CAB63-157 - ME Railway Plans - Sep 41 - 2.JPG
I'll have a look at the Eden papers to see if there are references to an Afghanistan route in there.

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Re: Could a German invasion of Turkey succeed?

Post by Tom from Cornwall » 21 Sep 2021 19:11

Tom from Cornwall wrote:
20 Sep 2021 19:52
Churchill was disappointed with progress, as can be seen in his message of 16 August 1942 to Clement Atlee (Deputy PM) from Moscow that the Trans-Persian route was only working 'at half what we hoped'. [Source Gilbert, 'The Road to Victory', p.205]
Further to Churchill's nagging about the Trans-Persian route is this message to the UK from Tehran which I found in the Eden papers (FO 954-19A-202):
FO954-19A-202 - Persian Railway development - 12 Aug 42.JPG
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Re: Could a German invasion of Turkey succeed?

Post by Tom from Cornwall » 04 Oct 2021 19:53

TheMarcksPlan wrote:
17 Sep 2021 02:57
I'd be interested to see whether this letter refers to the Zahedan route or something else. Zahedan/Mashhad are still in Iran but the far east part. Is that what "practically avoiding" Iran territory means? Like we'll just use a little of your territory? Or does this reference a route via Afghanistan?
The British were still pondering the possibility of a route through Afghanistan in November 1941 - this is from the COS Committee meeting of 21 November 1941 (CAB79/15/45):
CAB79-15-45 - Afghan Route - 21 Nov 41.JPG
I'll see if I can dig out the telegram that is referred to.

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Re: Could a German invasion of Turkey succeed?

Post by TheMarcksPlan » 07 Oct 2021 07:46

Tom from Cornwall wrote:
04 Oct 2021 19:53
The British were still pondering the possibility of a route through Afghanistan in November 1941 -
This seems ludicrous; I'm interested to hear more. Funny/tragic in current times to read about concerns that the Afghans would fleece the Allies.
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