If Nazi Germany won the war.

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If Nazi Germany won the war.

Post by PanzerVandalleideli » 02 Dec 2018 15:25

Past the horrific consequences of a Nazi victory, there is a genre to the what if. Books and tv shows have explored this, such as TMITHC and many other forms of media.

such is to the extensive plans of the Nazis for when they won. shocking and monumental ones. such as the Volkshalle and redesign of Berlin.

for yesterday I found out Minsk was to be renamed Asgard. or at least someone wanted to.

my question is, what other unknown plans did they have? cities to be renamed, structures and weapons. if Nazi germany had lived to create its new world order.

a part of my fascination comes from having hosted a Nazi ruled world rp. which went on for a long time, with plenty of detail and effort put to making it as real as possible.

I wasn’t sure where to put this post. I deeply apologise if it is in the wrong place. I’m new here, as you can see lol. oh, and no. this isn’t a thread on how they could have won the war. gosh no, lol.

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Re: If Nazi Germany won the war.

Post by maltesefalcon » 02 Dec 2018 18:22

FYI this topic is specifically banned in the first post of the What If guidelines.

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Re: If Nazi Germany won the war.

Post by Gorque » 02 Dec 2018 23:33

Seriously?!? This forum in its current form is over fifteen years old. Don't you think that in the interim this question hasn't been asked many times prior? Only three posts in as well, eh? Go cream in your white nationalist panties elsewhere.

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Re: If Nazi Germany won the war.

Post by Avalancheon » 02 Dec 2018 23:58

Gorque wrote:
02 Dec 2018 23:33
Seriously?!? This forum in its current form is over fifteen years old. Don't you think that in the interim this question hasn't been asked many times prior? Only three posts in as well, eh? Go cream in your white nationalist panties elsewhere.
Its a bit presumptuous of you to smear the OP as a white nationalist just for asking an question.

Hes a new poster and doesn't know the rules. Theres no need for hostility.

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RE: If National Socialist Germany Had Been Victorious - (In Theory Anyway).

Post by Robert Rojas » 03 Dec 2018 07:03

Greetings to both citizen Panzer Vandalleidi and the community as a whole. Howdy P.V.! Well sir OR madam, in deference to your point OR points-of-view as articulated in your introductory posting of Sunday - December 02, 2018 - 6:25am, the well worn literary works of Albert Speer notwithstanding, old yours truly would like to recommend the following novel for your perusal. The work of fiction in question is entitled as FATHERLAND. The author is Robert Harris and it was published in year 1992. Apart from the intrigue OR intrigues of his Machiavellian storyline, Robert Harris also included maps of the now consolidated National Socialist Empire as it might have appeared in year 1964. The maps also include the renaming of selected municipalities on the Crimean Peninsula to reflect its subsequent "GERMANIZATION". I thought I would get this notation in BEFORE this creation of yours is unceremoniously LOCKED down by the forum's management for blatant policy violations. Well, that's my initial two cents or pfennigs worth on this sojourn into the futurology of the all knowing Bohemian Corporal's so-called ONE THOUSAND YEAR REICH - for now anyway. In any case, I would like to bid you an especially copacetic eternity in whatever celestial realm you have rationalized for yourself.


Best Regards,
Uncle Bob :idea: :|
"It is well that war is so terrible, or we should grow too fond of it" - Robert E. Lee

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Re: If Nazi Germany won the war.

Post by Sejanus » 03 Dec 2018 14:06

PanzerVandalleideli wrote:
02 Dec 2018 15:25
my question is, what other unknown plans did they have? cities to be renamed, structures and weapons. if Nazi germany had lived to create its new world order.

a part of my fascination comes from having hosted a Nazi ruled world rp. which went on for a long time, with plenty of detail and effort put to making it as real as possible.

I wasn’t sure where to put this post. I deeply apologise if it is in the wrong place. I’m new here, as you can see lol. oh, and no. this isn’t a thread on how they could have won the war. gosh no, lol.
Well, if some plans are unknown then nobody here can tell you about them, can they? :milwink:

What is a "Nazi ruled world rp" role playing perhaps?

For other posters:

Maybe I am missing something (and please correct me if I am mistaken, with my apology) but I fail to see what the OP's question has to do with supporting White Nationalism or glorifying Nazism. Nor did I find any section titled "What If Guidelines" in the forum rules or see any issue that would require locking this thread down (not yet anyway in my non-moderator opinion).

I have known people highly interested in Nazism that were neither Nazis nor White Nationalists. I have also encountered White Nationalists that detested Nazism, so go figure (ironically they said Nazism gave them a bad image). I don't see enough here to accuse anyone of anything and maybe English is not the OP's first language?

In any event, given its self destructive tendencies I doubt that Nazi Germany could ever have implemented a New World Order across any more territory than they had already conquered; in hindsight there were far too many flaws built into its system ensuring failure and destruction. Not the least of which was Hitler himself. "What Ifs" are far too subjective for my taste so I will leave you folks to it...

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Re: If Nazi Germany won the war.

Post by T. A. Gardner » 03 Dec 2018 23:51

Well, in a scenario like this I'd first want to know some semi-plausible way that it happened before commenting on what the aftermath of that would be.
Short of world domination, an insanely ludicrous proposition, Germany ends up wrecked (rekt?) economically even if they win. Certainly the British / Commonwealth, the US, and Soviet Union (or what remains of it) would not trade with the resulting polity. Japan still gets smashed in any case, losing their war so things in Asia really don't change.

So, the question is valid. What are the conditions for this "victory?" Does Nazi Germany depopulate Eastern Europe and parts of the Soviet Union they control in a continuation of the Holocaust? What about Western Europe? Do they impose their rule on these countries or give them some degree of autonomy like Vichy France?

All that makes a huge difference in what the outcome is.

My view would be at best you end up with a Cold War-like situation where the Nazis are marginalized while the rest of the world recovers and then buries the resulting marginal Nazi economy resulting in the collapse of their supposed utopia. At worst, the Nazis opt for a rematch and get nuked into the stone age.

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Re: If Nazi Germany won the war.

Post by DerGiLLster » 10 Dec 2018 11:39

T. A. Gardner wrote:
03 Dec 2018 23:51
Well, in a scenario like this I'd first want to know some semi-plausible way that it happened before commenting on what the aftermath of that would be.
Short of world domination, an insanely ludicrous proposition, Germany ends up wrecked (rekt?) economically even if they win. Certainly the British / Commonwealth, the US, and Soviet Union (or what remains of it) would not trade with the resulting polity. Japan still gets smashed in any case, losing their war so things in Asia really don't change.
You could have the US stay out of it. Britain decides to throw in the towel in 1940(Churchill dies before becoming prime minister?). Germany now has trade with parts of the world and the lack of American Lend Lease hurts them the most. That is one way, I believe it can happen.
So, the question is valid. What are the conditions for this "victory?" Does Nazi Germany depopulate Eastern Europe and parts of the Soviet Union they control in a continuation of the Holocaust? What about Western Europe? Do they impose their rule on these countries or give them some degree of autonomy like Vichy France?

All that makes a huge difference in what the outcome is.

My view would be at best you end up with a Cold War-like situation where the Nazis are marginalized while the rest of the world recovers and then buries the resulting marginal Nazi economy resulting in the collapse of their supposed utopia. At worst, the Nazis opt for a rematch and get nuked into the stone age.
How long do you think Nazi Germany would last? Again, from what I have read online, there is no way Germany could have lasted past the 1960s/70s, without undergoing a violent economic collapse, with them descending into civil war.

If the Nazis opt for a rematch, might they get nukes eventually before thinking about it?

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Re: If Nazi Germany won the war.

Post by Sid Guttridge » 10 Dec 2018 14:25

Hi PV,

The Germans didn't really have a master plan, because Hitler opportunistically evolved his ambitions following each success. At the outbreak of war, the best Germany had reason to hope for was to consolidate its position in central Europe, so there no plans for anywhere much beyond an ambition to have a few colonies back.

Cheers,

Sid.

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Re: If Nazi Germany won the war.

Post by maltesefalcon » 10 Dec 2018 17:24

Sejanus wrote:
03 Dec 2018 14:06
PanzerVandalleideli wrote:
02 Dec 2018 15:25
my question is, what other unknown plans did they have? cities to be renamed, structures and weapons. if Nazi germany had lived to create its new world order.

a part of my fascination comes from having hosted a Nazi ruled world rp. which went on for a long time, with plenty of detail and effort put to making it as real as possible.

I wasn’t sure where to put this post. I deeply apologise if it is in the wrong place. I’m new here, as you can see lol. oh, and no. this isn’t a thread on how they could have won the war. gosh no, lol.
Well, if some plans are unknown then nobody here can tell you about them, can they? :milwink:

Nor did I find any section titled "What If Guidelines" in the forum rules or see any issue that would require locking this thread down (not yet anyway in my non-moderator opinion).

I have bolded your comment above for clarity. I will quote from the guidelines:

"There will be no thread’s concerning WI Germany had won WW2 how would the world be different etc. Again they are to shallow and the complex nature and dynamics of such a thread would make it unworkable in reaching a feasible conclusion."

Here is is link to the full thread and it's from the first post...

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=77436

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Re: If Nazi Germany won the war.

Post by Andy H » 25 Dec 2018 20:57

Hi

This type of topic is banned under the rules, as its an uncontrollable thread in terms of its scope, especially as one moves further away from actuality.

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Andy H

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