What if the Rosenstrasse protests turned deadly?
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What if the Rosenstrasse protests turned deadly?
For those of who don't know, this link should explain the bare basics:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenstrasse_protest
In essence, it was a protest by German women to have their Jewish husbands back. During the event, the police and the SS arrived, intending to break up the event. Despite pointing their guns at the women multiple times and telling them they would shoot them, the women refused. After a while, the men were released to the women by the order of Joseph Goebbels.
So how might it go down had the event turned bloody? Would the massacre of German women have forced an earlier downfall for the Reich? Or would it just turn out to be like Tienanmen, where people die and everything goes back to normal?
I suppose one could state that such a massacre might provoke more into protesting, with hundreds turning into thousands, having more pop up into other cities, reducing industrial production and having such men on the front question their loyalty to the regime, seeing how their government committed a despicable act.
On the other hand, it might just sour up any attempts at protesting after that, possibly with the Nazi regime making up some excuse how the women were "brainwashed" by their Jewish husbands into sabotaging the war effort or whatever lies the Nazis liked to pull out of their rear end.
So what do you think would have happened?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenstrasse_protest
In essence, it was a protest by German women to have their Jewish husbands back. During the event, the police and the SS arrived, intending to break up the event. Despite pointing their guns at the women multiple times and telling them they would shoot them, the women refused. After a while, the men were released to the women by the order of Joseph Goebbels.
So how might it go down had the event turned bloody? Would the massacre of German women have forced an earlier downfall for the Reich? Or would it just turn out to be like Tienanmen, where people die and everything goes back to normal?
I suppose one could state that such a massacre might provoke more into protesting, with hundreds turning into thousands, having more pop up into other cities, reducing industrial production and having such men on the front question their loyalty to the regime, seeing how their government committed a despicable act.
On the other hand, it might just sour up any attempts at protesting after that, possibly with the Nazi regime making up some excuse how the women were "brainwashed" by their Jewish husbands into sabotaging the war effort or whatever lies the Nazis liked to pull out of their rear end.
So what do you think would have happened?
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This is after Stalingrad emboldened. When there was a feeling of weakness of the regime.The Rosenstrasse protest was a collective street protest on Rosenstraße ("Rose street") in Berlin during February and March 1943. This demonstration was initiated and sustained by the non-Jewish wives and relatives of Jewish men who had been arrested and targeted for deportation, based on the racial policy of Nazi Germany. The protests continued until the men being held were released.
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Can you please answer the OP? Summarizing what the link said doesn't really help.jesk wrote: ↑21 Jul 2019, 10:56This is after Stalingrad emboldened. When there was a feeling of weakness of the regime.The Rosenstrasse protest was a collective street protest on Rosenstraße ("Rose street") in Berlin during February and March 1943. This demonstration was initiated and sustained by the non-Jewish wives and relatives of Jewish men who had been arrested and targeted for deportation, based on the racial policy of Nazi Germany. The protests continued until the men being held were released.
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Under martial law, these women could be shot or sent to a concentration camp. IN USSR, would have done so.
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So in short, you're telling me shooting them would have no effect at all on the war, the industrial production or the economy?
So just another atrocity to add to the Nazi regime I guess.
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Yes. Total censorship. The lack of Internet and mobile phones allowed the Nazi regime to terrorize the population with impunity. For sex with foreign workers and prisoners of war, women were sent to concentration camps.DerGiLLster wrote: ↑22 Jul 2019, 08:07So in short, you're telling me shooting them would have no effect at all on the war, the industrial production or the economy?
So just another atrocity to add to the Nazi regime I guess.
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I remember the source. Now only porn is googling. There, in some city, 40 German women were sent to camp for sex with French pows.DerGiLLster wrote: ↑22 Jul 2019, 09:02Hmm, didn't know about German women being sent to camps for that matter. Do you have a source on this? I do trust you in what you are saying, but I want to learn more about this in my free time.
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The women protested against the injustice done to them. Other Germans weren't going to join in, the matter was understandably unimportant to them.
After all, their sons and husbands were dying by thousands every day fighting for Germany, they themselves were dying by thousands in bombings.
Nobody cared that some people were deported somewhere else at the same time.
And yes there were many Germans and many German women (for example Jehovah's witnesses in Aushwitz) in concentration camps.
And the camps weren't for political opponents only - for criminals too.
After all, their sons and husbands were dying by thousands every day fighting for Germany, they themselves were dying by thousands in bombings.
Nobody cared that some people were deported somewhere else at the same time.
And yes there were many Germans and many German women (for example Jehovah's witnesses in Aushwitz) in concentration camps.
And the camps weren't for political opponents only - for criminals too.