ljadw wrote: ↑
18 Aug 2019 19:22
I presume that you know who is Volker Berghahn. In 2004 he called Lost Victories totally unreliable .
You know who is Jürgen Förster ? In 1998 he wrote that people as Manstein and Westphal claimed in their memoirs that the WM was a professional, apolitical force who were victims ( not followers ) of Hitler and that MOST GERMANS ( my emphasis ) accepted for too long at face value these self-serving claims .
And Robert Citino ?He said that Manstein defended his reputation and generalship and hided his participation in war crimes and blamed others for everything that went wrong .
These three well-known historians have debunked the memoirs of Manstein,which were unreliable, full of self-serving claims and hided his participation in war crimes ,but blamed the others for what went wrong .
And Förster said that most Germans believed what Manstein was saying .
The memorts from Halder and Guderian were at the same level ,if not lower .
Of course : it was a conspiracy .
This is a nonsensical response that doesn't address the fact that you invented things earlier about the contents of two memoirs and the German officer reports. Do you realize that the Raus memoirs/reports are heavy broken down and analyzed in "Endgame at Stalingrad" Glantz? For an officer's memory it is clear that, despite the errors, it generally matched what happened. Memoirs aren't history, they are just opinions from fading memories.
Mellanthin, Raus, Manstein, Guderian's opinions (via memoir or report) are frequently noted in unit and operational histories, whenever appropriate.
One would wonder if you actually read any the books that you collect crib notes on, and then you repost them over and over again for the purpose of rhetorical debates. Lost Victories/Panzer Operations/Panzer Battles/Panzer Leader do not have contents that display biblical power. They are memoirs in troop command. There is in fact very little that is political in the memoirs, they are military in nature
. People have personal responsibility in what they choose to believe in. The conspiracy theory doesn't match the contents if you actually READ the books.
You post too much misinformation in forums.
Your response has nothing substantive except status dropping.
I couldn't care less about what a generalist author believes it unless I examine it first. They are certainly far less knowledgeable than I in certain areas and good AHF posters. I am aware of the other low quality conspiracy theories that you believe in like you believe in Deep State, Clinton, Marxist, etc.. with similarly small amount of evidence.
I repeat, the truth is that the contents of the memoirs do not match these conspiracy theory descriptions and neither do the German officer reports for the US historical division. You, being not a student of the Eastern Front besides your fixation on a narrow range of questions didn't pick up it.