Trotsky stays in power and kills Stalin?

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Trotsky stays in power and kills Stalin?

Post by Klaus Yurk » 29 Oct 2019 03:15

How different would the history of the USSR have turned out if Trotsky stays in power? He and the Mensheviks were less power hungry (or so it seems to me,,,and maybe less brutal.) He and they were more "westernized" in their outlook. Could the USSR have developed into a more western-style socialist country like others in Europe? Stalin was an outright, brutal thug. Lenin seems less so...but also very power hungry. Seemed to somewhat admire the West though. Anyway, what are the thoughts of some of the more expert people on this board? Secondly, could a more democratic, miler USSR have survived the Nazi onslaught? Just asking questions. :D

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Re: Trotsky stays in power and kills Stalin?

Post by wm » 29 Oct 2019 08:42

Some say Stalin's purges were the correct solution to the problem of clanism plaguing the party and Soviet bureaucracy.
That without purges the USSR would enter an endless period of stagnation, like the Brezhnev era.
From that point of view, Stalinism was the best and most productive form of Soviet communism.

But Brezhnev could afford stagnation because his USSR was relatively developed and wealthy. Stalin couldn't because his USSR was undeveloped and poor.

John Getty in his "Practicing Stalinism" argues that the USSR couldn't be westernized because Russia herself wasn't a Western country.

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RE: Trotsky Stays In Power And Kills Stalin?

Post by Robert Rojas » 02 Nov 2019 08:20

Greetings to both brother Klaus Yurk and the community as a whole. Howdy Klaus! Long time no talk to! Where have you been sequestering yourself? Well sir, in deference to your point OR points-of-view as articulated within your introductory posting of Monday - October 28, 2019 - 6:15pm, old yours truly will openly and freely admit that I AM NO ONE's IDEA of a Political Scientist and therefore my "thoughts" are NO MORE "expert" than anyone else who might opt to participate in this exercise of yours. If anything, I would be more than a bit skeptical of those who put on airs of "expertise" with your theoretical topic of interest. In short, leave the effete genuflecting to others. Now, with that said, I am far from convinced that the person and policies of Lev Davidovich Bronshtein will not be any less totalitarian than his arch political rival Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili. If anything, as his Commissar for Foreign Policy and War, Lev Davidovich Bronshtein will have profound influences upon the outlook of Vladimir Illich Ulyanov's fledgling regime. As a practitioner of the theory of PERMANENT REVOLUTION, Lev Davidovich Bronshtein will be looking outward from the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics to spread the secular gospel of both Karl Marx and Frederich Engels. This was attempted during the Russo-Polish War of year 1920. In short, we're describing is what is tantamount to WARS OF NATIONAL LIBERATION across Eastern and Central Europe fought sometime during the decade of the 1930's. The Soviet System will produce the following military theoreticians who will make these WARS OF NATIONAL LIBERATION remotely possible. Mikhail Frunze, Vladimir Triandaffilov and Marshal of the Soviet Union Mikhail Tukhachevsky. Their contributions will lay the foundation for the modern offensive minded Red Army, a military force more than adequately prepared to confront Adolf Hitler's all conquering Wehrmacht. Finally, after considerable ideological infighting, the thorny issue of General Secretary Iosif Vissarionovich Dzugashvilli will be settled once and for all in a cell in the Lubyanka Prison when the Architect of the RED TERROR Felix Edmundovich Dzerzhinsky personally dispatches KOBA THE TERRIBLE at point blank range. And who says this story does not have a happy ending!? Well, that's my initial two Yankee cents worth on this exercise into what might have been - for now anyway. As always, I would like to bid you an especially copacetic day over in your corner of the Cornhusker State of Nebraska.

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