No German scientists/technology for the Wallies - impact on the Cold War?

[Takao]

Von Braun roasted by Tom Leher.
https://youtu.be/TjDEsGZLbio

[At ease]

Here is an extract from:

Secret Wings of WWII: Nazi Technology and the Allied Arms Race

Lance Cole

pp35

[.....]

Malignant Ingenuity and Perverted Science

The famous American commentator of the time, Edward R. Murrow, called
the advanced science of the Reich a ‘malignant ingenuity’.9 This was a nice
piece of ‘spin’ from the espousers of the moral high ground on the
victorious side, but it was a ruse that hid the mad scramble to steal German
technology for the Allies’ own use, with scant or no regard to its origins, or
the claimed ‘malignant’ morals of its creators. Even Winston Churchill, in
his ‘Finest Hour’ speech, referred to the threat of Germany’s ‘perverted
science’, yet within a few short years, such science underpinned American
and British science and aviation, from the swept-wing jet age to orbital
flight – all in a perversion of the truth of its origins. So much then for
Britain’s 1950s ‘Golden Age’ of home-brewed aviation technology.
Not only were over 1,500 German scientists shipped back to America by
1949, but there were more than 3,500 experts who had become American
citizens. Moving in the other direction, and little realised even today, was
that teams of American experts were reverse-engineered back into Germany
– to be placed in the heart of its scientific institutes and the research
departments of major industrial companies during 1946–1948. Over one
thousand of America’s industrial and scientific experts were tasked with
scouring Germany for industrial science as part of Joint Intelligence
Objectives Agency (JIOA) search teams, under the Office of Strategic
Studies (OSS) – the forerunner of the CIA.
The Technical Industrial Intelligence Committee (TIIC) was one of these
search groups, composed of 380 civilians representing seventeen American
industries – that is with direct links to major American manufacturing
concerns. Then came teams of the Washington D.C. based, Office of the
Publication Board. Even groups from private industry were allowed access
inside Germany. There, 500 operatives, badged under a
Field Intelligence Agencies/Technical (FIAT) umbrella, formed teams that were
placed directly into the offices of German industry. Germany was mined, its
science scoured and plundered for technology that was then used to create
not just American aerospace, but the ‘golden age’ of western technological
consumerism and its products and services for the second half of the
twentieth century. FIAT’s remit was most active between 1945–1948, when
its aim was to secure German technology under the guise of ‘the
advancement and improvement of production and standards of living’ under
a United Nations remit that cited the ‘proper’ exploitation of Nazi
technology. ‘Proper’ being fluid in terms it seems.
Russia is estimated to have grabbed over 6,000 German scientists and
technicians, as well as achieving the removal of major German scientific
research equipment back to Moscow. At one stage in the early 1950s, the
east-west Cold War technology tension was framed by questioning which
side had got the ‘better’ German experts. The indisputable fact was that by
late 1947 Germany had been stripped of its science, and not just in a fit of
Allied revenge and reparation. Such is the amazing tale of how German and
Nazi science became the heart of an America-led western society that
framed itself as the defender of the world, and the home of moral values,
and notably, the centre of technological knowledge and scientific advances
in the modern era. Maybe Wernher von Braun and his rocket men of
Peenemünde were – when the secret came out years later – a good cover
story. Perhaps they were a convenient shield for the wider dissemination
and use of Nazi science that permeated American technology and everyday
life – and its export to the world.
By 1947, the unique and specific aeronautical treasure trove of German
aerospace secrets resided at Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio, and in Washington
D.C.’s Library of Congress, and the Department of Commerce. One
Washington official framed the hoard as the greatest single source of this
type of material in the world, and that seizing the documents and the
thousands of tons of actual machinery, aircraft and rockets, represented the
first planned and structured exploitation of an entire country’s brainpower.10
All this was planned back in 1944 when the Allied Combined Chiefs of
Staff, acting on the advice of their various research groups, created military
civilian teams of a Joint Intelligence Objective to scour Germany for its
scientific secrets.
[.....]

http://www.freebookspot.club/Comments?E ... _Arms_Race

Particularly interesting, to me, is the little known detail of Allied scientists
being inserted into positions within German installations.

"Reverse engineered" as it was described in the above extract.

An earlier page in the above book led me to the Apollo mission parade
featuring Dr. WvB that I linked to in post #30.

I'm sure that as I read further, I will find many more passages, written by a stalwart member of the British Empire, that will make some forum members choke on their cornflakes.



Other books by Lance Cole:

https://www.pen-and-sword.co.uk/Lance-Cole/a/1960

I also recommend reading:

VC10: Icon of the Skies: BOAC, Boeing and a Jet Age Battle


http://www.freebookspot.club/Comments?E ... Age_Battle


which I enjoyed and found quite instructive.

[Takao]

Here is an extract from:

Secret Wings of WWII: Nazi Technology and the Allied Arms Race

Lance Cole

pp35

[.....]

Malignant Ingenuity and Perverted Science

The famous American commentator of the time, Edward R. Murrow, called
the advanced science of the Reich a ‘malignant ingenuity’.9 This was a nice
piece of ‘spin’ from the espousers of the moral high ground on the
victorious side, but it was a ruse that hid the mad scramble to steal German
technology for the Allies’ own use, with scant or no regard to its origins, or
the claimed ‘malignant’ morals of its creators. Even Winston Churchill, in
his ‘Finest Hour’ speech, referred to the threat of Germany’s ‘perverted
science’, yet within a few short years, such science underpinned American
and British science and aviation, from the swept-wing jet age to orbital
flight – all in a perversion of the truth of its origins. So much then for
Britain’s 1950s ‘Golden Age’ of home-brewed aviation technology.
Not only were over 1,500 German scientists shipped back to America by
1949, but there were more than 3,500 experts who had become American
citizens. Moving in the other direction, and little realised even today, was
that teams of American experts were reverse-engineered back into Germany
– to be placed in the heart of its scientific institutes and the research
departments of major industrial companies during 1946–1948. Over one
thousand of America’s industrial and scientific experts were tasked with
scouring Germany for industrial science as part of Joint Intelligence
Objectives Agency (JIOA) search teams, under the Office of Strategic
Studies (OSS) – the forerunner of the CIA.
The Technical Industrial Intelligence Committee (TIIC) was one of these
search groups, composed of 380 civilians representing seventeen American
industries – that is with direct links to major American manufacturing
concerns. Then came teams of the Washington D.C. based, Office of the
Publication Board. Even groups from private industry were allowed access
inside Germany. There, 500 operatives, badged under a
Field Intelligence Agencies/Technical (FIAT) umbrella, formed teams that were
placed directly into the offices of German industry. Germany was mined, its
science scoured and plundered for technology that was then used to create
not just American aerospace, but the ‘golden age’ of western technological
consumerism and its products and services for the second half of the
twentieth century. FIAT’s remit was most active between 1945–1948, when
its aim was to secure German technology under the guise of ‘the
advancement and improvement of production and standards of living’ under
a United Nations remit that cited the ‘proper’ exploitation of Nazi
technology. ‘Proper’ being fluid in terms it seems.
Russia is estimated to have grabbed over 6,000 German scientists and
technicians, as well as achieving the removal of major German scientific
research equipment back to Moscow. At one stage in the early 1950s, the
east-west Cold War technology tension was framed by questioning which
side had got the ‘better’ German experts. The indisputable fact was that by
late 1947 Germany had been stripped of its science, and not just in a fit of
Allied revenge and reparation. Such is the amazing tale of how German and
Nazi science became the heart of an America-led western society that
framed itself as the defender of the world, and the home of moral values,
and notably, the centre of technological knowledge and scientific advances
in the modern era. Maybe Wernher von Braun and his rocket men of
Peenemünde were – when the secret came out years later – a good cover
story. Perhaps they were a convenient shield for the wider dissemination
and use of Nazi science that permeated American technology and everyday
life – and its export to the world.
By 1947, the unique and specific aeronautical treasure trove of German
aerospace secrets resided at Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio, and in Washington
D.C.’s Library of Congress, and the Department of Commerce. One
Washington official framed the hoard as the greatest single source of this
type of material in the world, and that seizing the documents and the
thousands of tons of actual machinery, aircraft and rockets, represented the
first planned and structured exploitation of an entire country’s brainpower.10
All this was planned back in 1944 when the Allied Combined Chiefs of
Staff, acting on the advice of their various research groups, created military
civilian teams of a Joint Intelligence Objective to scour Germany for its
scientific secrets.
[.....]

http://www.freebookspot.club/Comments?E ... _Arms_Race

Particularly interesting, to me, is the little known detail of Allied scientists
being inserted into positions within German installations.

"Reverse engineered" as it was described in the above extract.

An earlier page in the above book led me to the Apollo mission parade
featuring Dr. WvB that I linked to in post #30.

I'm sure that as I read further, I will find many more passages, written by a stalwart member of the British Empire, that will make some forum members choke on their cornflakes.



Other books by Lance Cole:

https://www.pen-and-sword.co.uk/Lance-Cole/a/1960

I also recommend reading:

VC10: Icon of the Skies: BOAC, Boeing and a Jet Age Battle


http://www.freebookspot.club/Comments?E ... Age_Battle


which I enjoyed and found quite instructive.

Choked on my coffee from laughing...Does that count?

Why are you under the impression that this all began post-WW2?

You should probably expand your research further back - say to the 19-teens thru the 1930's.

You can look at Vickers - Krupp, Standard Oil - IG Farben, General Motors - Opel, and US Steel - Krupp
For starters.

The cross-pollination of technology did not just begin post-WW2.
And, it also went both ways, not just from out of Germany.

[Carl Schwamberger]

'Trading With the Enemy' by Charles Higham out lines some of the larger direct business connections.

DuPont & IG Fargen as co owners of Analine Dye

Chase Bank (Roackafeller controlled) & Reichsbank

Ford Motor Co & its deep investment and participation in Opal.

Davis Oil, a petroleum brokerage financed by the Reichsbank.



When interrogators asked Von Braun & his peers about the original of their rocket research they identified Goddard and the other US researchers as the source. Udet purchased a pair of Curtiss BFC-1 Hawk aircraft as research examples in 1933, after witnessing demonstrations of US Army aircraft ground attack techniques including dive bombing. One can go on endlessly with examples of cross fertilization of technology.

[T. A. Gardner]

'Trading With the Enemy' by Charles Higham out lines some of the larger direct business connections.

DuPont & IG Fargen as co owners of Analine Dye

Chase Bank (Roackafeller controlled) & Reichsbank

Ford Motor Co & its deep investment and participation in Opal.

Davis Oil, a petroleum brokerage financed by the Reichsbank.



When interrogators asked Von Braun & his peers about the original of their rocket research they identified Goddard and the other US researchers as the source. Udet purchased a pair of Curtiss BFC-1 Hawk aircraft as research examples in 1933, after witnessing demonstrations of US Army aircraft ground attack techniques including dive bombing. One can go on endlessly with examples of cross fertilization of technology.

Opel was GM in Germany. Ford was still Ford. Both were nationalized once the war began. Opel's Brandenburg plant was one of the largest truck manufacturing plants in Germany.

The Germans took over Philips Electric in the Netherlands, but the owning family fled the country with their proprietary knowledge and set up in Aruba in the Caribbean. They cooperated with the US closely once the US entered the war. Philips was the largest vacuum tube manufacturer in Europe representing about 1/3 to half of German total production from all sources, along with making a number of specialty tubes nobody else did. Without them, the German electronics program would have been seriously hit.

The German Tego glue process (Ta 154 et al) was copied in the US as variously Aeromold and Duramold. Fairchild and Timm aircraft used the process on a large scale, among others.

[Takao]

Mr. Gardner,

Have you read any of J. D. Hunley's works on US rocket history?

If so, your thoughts on his works.

[T. A. Gardner]

Mr. Gardner,

Have you read any of J. D. Hunley's works on US rocket history?

If so, your thoughts on his works.

No, I haven't, but I'll get a copy of his books and see what he has to say.

[T. A. Gardner]

Here is an extract from:

Secret Wings of WWII: Nazi Technology and the Allied Arms Race

Lance Cole

pp35

[.....]

Malignant Ingenuity and Perverted Science

The famous American commentator of the time, Edward R. Murrow, called
the advanced science of the Reich a ‘malignant ingenuity’.9 This was a nice
piece of ‘spin’ from the espousers of the moral high ground on the
victorious side, but it was a ruse that hid the mad scramble to steal German
technology for the Allies’ own use, with scant or no regard to its origins, or
the claimed ‘malignant’ morals of its creators. Even Winston Churchill, in
his ‘Finest Hour’ speech, referred to the threat of Germany’s ‘perverted
science’, yet within a few short years, such science underpinned American
and British science and aviation, from the swept-wing jet age to orbital
flight – all in a perversion of the truth of its origins. So much then for
Britain’s 1950s ‘Golden Age’ of home-brewed aviation technology.
Not only were over 1,500 German scientists shipped back to America by
1949, but there were more than 3,500 experts who had become American
citizens. Moving in the other direction, and little realised even today, was
that teams of American experts were reverse-engineered back into Germany
– to be placed in the heart of its scientific institutes and the research
departments of major industrial companies during 1946–1948. Over one
thousand of America’s industrial and scientific experts were tasked with
scouring Germany for industrial science as part of Joint Intelligence
Objectives Agency (JIOA) search teams, under the Office of Strategic
Studies (OSS) – the forerunner of the CIA.
The Technical Industrial Intelligence Committee (TIIC) was one of these
search groups, composed of 380 civilians representing seventeen American
industries – that is with direct links to major American manufacturing
concerns. Then came teams of the Washington D.C. based, Office of the
Publication Board. Even groups from private industry were allowed access
inside Germany. There, 500 operatives, badged under a
Field Intelligence Agencies/Technical (FIAT) umbrella, formed teams that were
placed directly into the offices of German industry. Germany was mined, its
science scoured and plundered for technology that was then used to create
not just American aerospace, but the ‘golden age’ of western technological
consumerism and its products and services for the second half of the
twentieth century. FIAT’s remit was most active between 1945–1948, when
its aim was to secure German technology under the guise of ‘the
advancement and improvement of production and standards of living’ under
a United Nations remit that cited the ‘proper’ exploitation of Nazi
technology. ‘Proper’ being fluid in terms it seems.
Russia is estimated to have grabbed over 6,000 German scientists and
technicians, as well as achieving the removal of major German scientific
research equipment back to Moscow. At one stage in the early 1950s, the
east-west Cold War technology tension was framed by questioning which
side had got the ‘better’ German experts. The indisputable fact was that by
late 1947 Germany had been stripped of its science, and not just in a fit of
Allied revenge and reparation. Such is the amazing tale of how German and
Nazi science became the heart of an America-led western society that
framed itself as the defender of the world, and the home of moral values,
and notably, the centre of technological knowledge and scientific advances
in the modern era. Maybe Wernher von Braun and his rocket men of
Peenemünde were – when the secret came out years later – a good cover
story. Perhaps they were a convenient shield for the wider dissemination
and use of Nazi science that permeated American technology and everyday
life – and its export to the world.
By 1947, the unique and specific aeronautical treasure trove of German
aerospace secrets resided at Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio, and in Washington
D.C.’s Library of Congress, and the Department of Commerce. One
Washington official framed the hoard as the greatest single source of this
type of material in the world, and that seizing the documents and the
thousands of tons of actual machinery, aircraft and rockets, represented the
first planned and structured exploitation of an entire country’s brainpower.10
All this was planned back in 1944 when the Allied Combined Chiefs of
Staff, acting on the advice of their various research groups, created military
civilian teams of a Joint Intelligence Objective to scour Germany for its
scientific secrets.
[.....]

http://www.freebookspot.club/Comments?E ... _Arms_Race

Particularly interesting, to me, is the little known detail of Allied scientists
being inserted into positions within German installations.

"Reverse engineered" as it was described in the above extract.

An earlier page in the above book led me to the Apollo mission parade
featuring Dr. WvB that I linked to in post #30.

I'm sure that as I read further, I will find many more passages, written by a stalwart member of the British Empire, that will make some forum members choke on their cornflakes.



Other books by Lance Cole:

https://www.pen-and-sword.co.uk/Lance-Cole/a/1960

I also recommend reading:

VC10: Icon of the Skies: BOAC, Boeing and a Jet Age Battle


http://www.freebookspot.club/Comments?E ... Age_Battle


which I enjoyed and found quite instructive.

Choked on my coffee from laughing...Does that count?

Why are you under the impression that this all began post-WW2?

You should probably expand your research further back - say to the 19-teens thru the 1930's.

You can look at Vickers - Krupp, Standard Oil - IG Farben, General Motors - Opel, and US Steel - Krupp
For starters.

The cross-pollination of technology did not just begin post-WW2.
And, it also went both ways, not just from out of Germany.

I'll wait until a copy of Cole's book arrives to comment on this other than it's rife with logical fallacies posing as an argument. I don't expect much from Cole's book given the reviews I read on it, but for $20 something bucks I'll get it--even if it sucks.

[Michael Kenny]

Any book that makes this type of absurd claim is not worth '20' of anything

Such is the amazing tale of how German and
Nazi science became the heart of an America-led western society that
framed itself as the defender of the world, and the home of moral values,
and notably, the centre of technological knowledge and scientific advances
in the modern era.

[At ease]

[.....]
Choked on my coffee from laughing...Does that count?

Why are you under the impression that this all began post-WW2?

You should probably expand your research further back - say to the 19-teens thru the 1930's.

You can look at Vickers - Krupp, Standard Oil - IG Farben, General Motors - Opel, and US Steel - Krupp
For starters.

The cross-pollination of technology did not just begin post-WW2.
And, it also went both ways, not just from out of Germany.

I'm sure the thread title said ....."Cold War".

Not actually giving the pre-war period any conscious thought, but please forgive me for not going back to the Book of Genesis.

I WAS consciously trying to address the stated post-war era as suggested by the thread title.

[At ease]

Any book that makes this type of absurd claim is not worth '20' of anything

Such is the amazing tale of how German and
Nazi science became the heart of an America-led western society that
framed itself as the defender of the world, and the home of moral values,
and notably, the centre of technological knowledge and scientific advances
in the modern era.

You might want to have all of the world's books on Operation Paperclip collected
from all of the worlds libraries and have a book burning.....

You might want to also "Cancel" Operation Surgeon:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Surgeon

It must be very irksome for British readers to read books written by other British
subjects that tend to suggest German scientific prowess to the point that Lance Cole,
amongst others, does.

Careful when eating your cornflakes, or would it be Weetabix in your situation?.

P.S. @MKenny, you might want to write and have published your own book detailing
your position on the matter.
I don't think that there are many published, studious, works that would be adopting your position.

If there are any available, please quote contents of same in your posts.

I would be happy to see what they have to say.

[At ease]

Here is an extract from:

Secret Wings of WWII: Nazi Technology and the Allied Arms Race

Lance Cole

pp35

[.....]

Malignant Ingenuity and Perverted Science

The famous American commentator of the time, Edward R. Murrow, called
the advanced science of the Reich a ‘malignant ingenuity’.9 This was a nice
piece of ‘spin’ from the espousers of the moral high ground on the
victorious side, but it was a ruse that hid the mad scramble to steal German
technology for the Allies’ own use, with scant or no regard to its origins, or
the claimed ‘malignant’ morals of its creators. Even Winston Churchill, in
his ‘Finest Hour’ speech, referred to the threat of Germany’s ‘perverted
science’, yet within a few short years, such science underpinned American
and British science and aviation, from the swept-wing jet age to orbital
flight – all in a perversion of the truth of its origins. So much then for
Britain’s 1950s ‘Golden Age’ of home-brewed aviation technology.
Not only were over 1,500 German scientists shipped back to America by
1949, but there were more than 3,500 experts who had become American
citizens. Moving in the other direction, and little realised even today, was
that teams of American experts were reverse-engineered back into Germany
– to be placed in the heart of its scientific institutes and the research
departments of major industrial companies during 1946–1948. Over one
thousand of America’s industrial and scientific experts were tasked with
scouring Germany for industrial science as part of Joint Intelligence
Objectives Agency (JIOA) search teams, under the Office of Strategic
Studies (OSS) – the forerunner of the CIA.
The Technical Industrial Intelligence Committee (TIIC) was one of these
search groups, composed of 380 civilians representing seventeen American
industries – that is with direct links to major American manufacturing
concerns. Then came teams of the Washington D.C. based, Office of the
Publication Board. Even groups from private industry were allowed access
inside Germany. There, 500 operatives, badged under a
Field Intelligence Agencies/Technical (FIAT) umbrella, formed teams that were
placed directly into the offices of German industry. Germany was mined, its
science scoured and plundered for technology that was then used to create
not just American aerospace, but the ‘golden age’ of western technological
consumerism and its products and services for the second half of the
twentieth century. FIAT’s remit was most active between 1945–1948, when
its aim was to secure German technology under the guise of ‘the
advancement and improvement of production and standards of living’ under
a United Nations remit that cited the ‘proper’ exploitation of Nazi
technology. ‘Proper’ being fluid in terms it seems.
Russia is estimated to have grabbed over 6,000 German scientists and
technicians, as well as achieving the removal of major German scientific
research equipment back to Moscow. At one stage in the early 1950s, the
east-west Cold War technology tension was framed by questioning which
side had got the ‘better’ German experts. The indisputable fact was that by
late 1947 Germany had been stripped of its science, and not just in a fit of
Allied revenge and reparation. Such is the amazing tale of how German and
Nazi science became the heart of an America-led western society that
framed itself as the defender of the world, and the home of moral values,
and notably, the centre of technological knowledge and scientific advances
in the modern era. Maybe Wernher von Braun and his rocket men of
Peenemünde were – when the secret came out years later – a good cover
story. Perhaps they were a convenient shield for the wider dissemination
and use of Nazi science that permeated American technology and everyday
life – and its export to the world.
By 1947, the unique and specific aeronautical treasure trove of German
aerospace secrets resided at Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio, and in Washington
D.C.’s Library of Congress, and the Department of Commerce. One
Washington official framed the hoard as the greatest single source of this
type of material in the world, and that seizing the documents and the
thousands of tons of actual machinery, aircraft and rockets, represented the
first planned and structured exploitation of an entire country’s brainpower.10
All this was planned back in 1944 when the Allied Combined Chiefs of
Staff, acting on the advice of their various research groups, created military
civilian teams of a Joint Intelligence Objective to scour Germany for its
scientific secrets.
[.....]

http://www.freebookspot.club/Comments?E ... _Arms_Race

Particularly interesting, to me, is the little known detail of Allied scientists
being inserted into positions within German installations.

"Reverse engineered" as it was described in the above extract.

An earlier page in the above book led me to the Apollo mission parade
featuring Dr. WvB that I linked to in post #30.

I'm sure that as I read further, I will find many more passages, written by a stalwart member of the British Empire, that will make some forum members choke on their cornflakes.



Other books by Lance Cole:

https://www.pen-and-sword.co.uk/Lance-Cole/a/1960

I also recommend reading:

VC10: Icon of the Skies: BOAC, Boeing and a Jet Age Battle


http://www.freebookspot.club/Comments?E ... Age_Battle


which I enjoyed and found quite instructive.

Choked on my coffee from laughing...Does that count?

Why are you under the impression that this all began post-WW2?

You should probably expand your research further back - say to the 19-teens thru the 1930's.

You can look at Vickers - Krupp, Standard Oil - IG Farben, General Motors - Opel, and US Steel - Krupp
For starters.

The cross-pollination of technology did not just begin post-WW2.
And, it also went both ways, not just from out of Germany.

I'll wait until a copy of Cole's book arrives to comment on this other than it's rife with logical fallacies posing as an argument. I don't expect much from Cole's book given the reviews I read on it, but for $20 something bucks I'll get it--even if it sucks.

You might like to quote some of the reviews of Cole's works, or at least link to them.

So far, I am finding it difficult to find other than complementary reviews of his works.

Certainly none disparaging so far, only from yourself.....and MKenny.

[Takao]

Any book that makes this type of absurd claim is not worth '20' of anything

Such is the amazing tale of how German and
Nazi science became the heart of an America-led western society that
framed itself as the defender of the world, and the home of moral values,
and notably, the centre of technological knowledge and scientific advances
in the modern era.

You might want to have all of the world's books on Operation Paperclip collected
from all of the worlds libraries and have a book burning.....

You might want to also "Cancel" Operation Surgeon:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Surgeon

It must be very irksome for British readers to read books written by other British
subjects that tend to suggest German scientific prowess to the point that Lance Cole,
amongst others, does.

Careful when eating your cornflakes, or would it be Weetabix in your situation?.

P.S. @MKenny, you might want to write and have published your own book detailing
your position on the matter.
I don't think that there are many published, studious, works that would be adopting your position.

If there are any available, please quote contents of same in your posts.

I would be happy to see what they have to say.

Do you realize that you are making a far better case for the Soviets driving western technologies, and not the Germans.

[At ease]

Any book that makes this type of absurd claim is not worth '20' of anything

Such is the amazing tale of how German and
Nazi science became the heart of an America-led western society that
framed itself as the defender of the world, and the home of moral values,
and notably, the centre of technological knowledge and scientific advances
in the modern era.

You might want to have all of the world's books on Operation Paperclip collected
from all of the worlds libraries and have a book burning.....

You might want to also "Cancel" Operation Surgeon:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Surgeon

It must be very irksome for British readers to read books written by other British
subjects that tend to suggest German scientific prowess to the point that Lance Cole,
amongst others, does.

Careful when eating your cornflakes, or would it be Weetabix in your situation?.

P.S. @MKenny, you might want to write and have published your own book detailing
your position on the matter.
I don't think that there are many published, studious, works that would be adopting your position.

If there are any available, please quote contents of same in your posts.

I would be happy to see what they have to say.

Do you realize that you are making a far better case for the Soviets driving western technologies, and not the Germans.

So, there were 3500 Soviet scientists/experts employed in the USA as well as 3500 scientists/experts(the actual number quoted by Cole in my quote of his text in post #32) Germans post war?

Please, tell me more.

Or, was it 3500 Soviets and NO Germans?

I look forward to your clarification - but not actually expecting much.

[Takao]

Perhaps someone should tell Lance Cole that...
Field Intelligence Agencies/Technical (FIAT)
Is actually
Field Information Agency, Technical.

That's a pretty basic mistake to make.