What effect would having Stalin deport the Soviet Union's Jews to the JAO en masse have on Anglo-American support?

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Re: What effect would having Stalin deport the Soviet Union's Jews to the JAO en masse have on Anglo-American support?

Post by wm » 11 Jan 2021 10:57

I suppose as much as needed, it would a political decision.
2 million would 1 percent of the Soviet population so basically a rounding error.

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Re: What effect would having Stalin deport the Soviet Union's Jews to the JAO en masse have on Anglo-American support?

Post by Futurist » 11 Jan 2021 20:30

Interesting; thank you. Ironically, had Hitler decided to transfer the couple million Jews under his rule to the Soviet Union in 1939-1940 and Stalin would have accepted, then Stalin could have subsequently deported these Jews to the JAO and this would have ironically caused most of these Jews to survive Operation Barbarossa and the Holocaust later on.

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Re: What effect would having Stalin deport the Soviet Union's Jews to the JAO en masse have on Anglo-American support?

Post by wm » 11 Jan 2021 21:09

But Hitler would gladly send all his Jews to Stalin anytime (and even offered that but I'm not sure) but it was obvious Stalin wouldn't accept them.
He had enough people already and foreigners were a threat to his country's security.
The Nazis even tried to force groups of Jews through the Soviet border.

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Re: What effect would having Stalin deport the Soviet Union's Jews to the JAO en masse have on Anglo-American support?

Post by Futurist » 11 Jan 2021 21:19

Yeah, I'm saying that this was a mistake on Stalin's part. He should have accepted them and subsequently deported them en masse to the JAO, where they would have been very safe from any subsequent threat that the Nazis would have posed to them.

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Re: What effect would having Stalin deport the Soviet Union's Jews to the JAO en masse have on Anglo-American support?

Post by wm » 11 Jan 2021 21:37

I think Stalin would be genuinely surprised he was expected to help millions of Jews. As far as I know, in 1933 he didn't even want the German communists.
Especially that till Barbarossa the Holocaust wasn't even in the plans. Till Barbarossa Jews were able to send food packages from the USSR to their brethren in occupied Poland.

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Re: What effect would having Stalin deport the Soviet Union's Jews to the JAO en masse have on Anglo-American support?

Post by Futurist » 11 Jan 2021 21:55

Why exactly didn't Stalin want the German Communists in 1933?

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Post by wm » 11 Jan 2021 22:46

I suppose for the same reason he killed most of the folks at Comintern. There weren't reliable, thought too much, were too independent.

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Re: What effect would having Stalin deport the Soviet Union's Jews to the JAO en masse have on Anglo-American support?

Post by Futurist » 11 Jan 2021 22:50

How many German Communists did he kill?

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Re: What effect would having Stalin deport the Soviet Union's Jews to the JAO en masse have on Anglo-American support?

Post by Futurist » 13 Nov 2021 04:13

wm wrote:
03 Dec 2020 21:34
That doesn't look realistic. The Soviet actions, although monstrous, were triggered by a real threat to the Soviets - not just because some people could have been bought with money.

The Koreans were part of the Empire of Japan and many of them, if not the majority, accepted it. For them, Japan was their homeland. They had common goals with it. It wasn't any different from the Ossetians or Chechens conquered by the Russians and faithfully fighting for Russia in the ww1.
So it was possible they would work for their homeland, spy for Japan not only for money but for nationalistic reasons too.

Similarly, the Soviet Jews enthusiastically welcomed the creation of the hostile to the Soviets Israel. The Soviet Jews suddenly had common goals with a hostile power.
Hey wm,

I have a question for you:

Is it anywhere near remotely plausible for Stalin to deport only the Jews living in the territories that the US conquered in 1939-1940 to the Soviet interior en masse but not the remaining Soviet Jewish population? I was thinking that the logic might be something along the lines of Stalin deciding that there are too many predatory capitalists and/or practicing Jews among his newly conquered Jewish populations (as opposed to the Sovietized Jews that he had already controlled before 1939) and thus Stalin deciding to give them a good taste of the Communist experience by uprooting them from their homes and property--or something like that.

Basically, I'm just trying to figure out a realistic way to save more Soviet Jews from the Holocaust, and the best way to do that is, unfortunately, by deporting more Soviet Jews to the interior of the Soviet Union before the start of Operation Barbarossa. Sad but true.

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