Additional realistic cases of countries being split as a result of Communism (or some other kind of totalitarianism)

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Additional realistic cases of countries being split as a result of Communism (or some other kind of totalitarianism)

Post by Futurist » 18 Feb 2021 00:42

In real life, we saw Vietnam Korea, China (if one considers Taiwan to be a part of China), Germany, and Yemen be split for decades as a result of Communism. In turn, this made me wonder--which additional realistic cases of countries being split for decades as a result of Communism (and/or some other kind of totalitarianism) could there have realistically been? So far, I can think of:

-Japan had the Soviet Union managed to invade and conquer Hokkaido and install a pro-Soviet Communist Japanese government there, in the event that World War II in Asia would have lasted longer.
-Greece, where the Peloponnese and some or all Greek islands in the Mediterranean and Aegean Seas could have broken off and formed an independent free and capitalist Greek state in the event that the rest of Greece would have fallen to Communism as a result of a Communist victory in the Greek Civil War in the late 1940s.
-Yugoslavia, where the West could have militarily intervened to prop up Tito's government in Slovenia and Croatia in the event that the Soviet Union would have ever invaded Yugoslavia and installed a new pro-Soviet Yugoslav Communist government in Belgrade.
-Thailand, where Isan could have separated from the rest of Thailand and become an independent Communist state, especially if given significant help from Vietnamese and Laotian Communists. AFAIK, the Isan people speak a language that is more similar to Laotian than to the languages that are spoken in the rest of Thailand. Still, this would have been more of a separatist movement than a case of a country having two rival, competing governments.
-Afghanistan had the Soviet Union tried to partition it in the 1980s as opposed to trying to subdue all of it.
-Russia had the Communists only managed to take over a part of Russia rather than all of Russia during the Russian Civil War.
-Had the Chinese Nationalists held onto a part of mainland China, China would have still been divided, but the dividing line would have been in mainland China instead of across the Taiwan Strait.
-Austria had the Soviet Union not withdrawn from its part of Austria in 1955 and instead set up a pro-Soviet Communist East Austrian state.
-Iran if the Soviet Union refuses to withdraw from the part of Iran that it occupied (specifically northern Iran) after the end of World War II and instead decides to create an independent pro-Soviet Communist state of North Iran there.
-Perhaps Turkey had it entered World War II on the Axis side and been split east-to-west after the end of World War II, with a pro-Soviet Communist East Turkey and a pro-Western West Turkey.

However which additional realistic examples of this could there have been?

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Re: Additional realistic cases of countries being split as a result of Communism (or some other kind of totalitarianism)

Post by maltesefalcon » 18 Feb 2021 03:05

Futurist wrote:
18 Feb 2021 00:42
In real life, we saw Vietnam Korea, China (if one considers Taiwan to be a part of China), Germany, and Yemen be split for decades as a result of Communism. In turn, this made me wonder--which additional realistic cases of countries being split for decades as a result of Communism (and/or some other kind of totalitarianism) could there have realistically been? So far, I can think of:

-Japan had the Soviet Union managed to invade and conquer Hokkaido and install a pro-Soviet Communist Japanese government there, in the event that World War II in Asia would have lasted longer.
-Greece, where the Peloponnese and some or all Greek islands in the Mediterranean and Aegean Seas could have broken off and formed an independent free and capitalist Greek state in the event that the rest of Greece would have fallen to Communism as a result of a Communist victory in the Greek Civil War in the late 1940s.
-Yugoslavia, where the West could have militarily intervened to prop up Tito's government in Slovenia and Croatia in the event that the Soviet Union would have ever invaded Yugoslavia and installed a new pro-Soviet Yugoslav Communist government in Belgrade.
-Thailand, where Isan could have separated from the rest of Thailand and become an independent Communist state, especially if given significant help from Vietnamese and Laotian Communists. AFAIK, the Isan people speak a language that is more similar to Laotian than to the languages that are spoken in the rest of Thailand. Still, this would have been more of a separatist movement than a case of a country having two rival, competing governments.
-Afghanistan had the Soviet Union tried to partition it in the 1980s as opposed to trying to subdue all of it.
-Russia had the Communists only managed to take over a part of Russia rather than all of Russia during the Russian Civil War.
-Had the Chinese Nationalists held onto a part of mainland China, China would have still been divided, but the dividing line would have been in mainland China instead of across the Taiwan Strait.
-Austria had the Soviet Union not withdrawn from its part of Austria in 1955 and instead set up a pro-Soviet Communist East Austrian state.
-Iran if the Soviet Union refuses to withdraw from the part of Iran that it occupied (specifically northern Iran) after the end of World War II and instead decides to create an independent pro-Soviet Communist state of North Iran there.
-Perhaps Turkey had it entered World War II on the Axis side and been split east-to-west after the end of World War II, with a pro-Soviet Communist East Turkey and a pro-Western West Turkey.

However which additional realistic examples of this could there have been?
Before this thread possibly gets locked too, I would point out that Germany was not partitioned due to Communism. It was partitioned into 4 mutually agreed occupation zones as a result of starting and losing a world war. One of those zones happened to be controlled by the Soviets.

The other three were controlled by Capitalist nations, so you might just as well say that the nation was split by Capitalism.

In truth it was split by failed Nazism.
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Re: Additional realistic cases of countries being split as a result of Communism (or some other kind of totalitarianism)

Post by Futurist » 18 Feb 2021 03:11

The three split capitalist zones subsequently reunited, though, so it was easier to reunite German capitalist zones than to reunite a German Communist zone together with these three German capitalist zones.

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Re: Additional realistic cases of countries being split as a result of Communism (or some other kind of totalitarianism)

Post by maltesefalcon » 18 Feb 2021 03:29

Futurist wrote:
18 Feb 2021 03:11
The three split capitalist zones subsequently reunited, though, so it was easier to reunite German capitalist zones than to reunite a German Communist zone together with these three German capitalist zones.
The three zones were reunited once the Western allies stopped their occupation some years after the war. The Soviets were reluctant to do this because they were still exploiting their zone to help defray the cost of the war. Also to provide a buffer between them and the rest of Germany. Russia could have been a monarchy, a parliamentary democracy, a republic or a Communist dictatorship. The resulting split had nothing to do with their system of government and everything to do with the war.

Post WW1, Italy was awarded parts of the former Austro Hungarian empire. Was it because of capitalism? No. It was because Italy was on the winning side and A-H was on the losing one.

France was partitioned after the Franco Prussian War. Again, not due to France being a republic and Prussia being a monarchy. It was because they lost the war. And those provinces were partitioned from Germany following WW1, for the same reason.

And more recently Russia has carved off a piece of Ukraine. Obviously this was not due to Communism. It was due to military aggression by a greater power on a weaker nation.

Do you think that the Eastern states of Germany would have split off and formed their own Communist regime if the war had not occurred? Of course not.

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Re: Additional realistic cases of countries being split as a result of Communism (or some other kind of totalitarianism)

Post by maltesefalcon » 18 Feb 2021 05:16

Futurist wrote:
18 Feb 2021 00:42
In real life, we saw Vietnam Korea, China (if one considers Taiwan to be a part of China), Germany, and Yemen be split for decades as a result of Communism. In turn, this made me wonder--which additional realistic cases of countries being split for decades as a result of Communism (and/or some other kind of totalitarianism) could there have realistically been? So far, I can think of:

-Afghanistan had the Soviet Union tried to partition it in the 1980s as opposed to trying to subdue all of it.
As a bit of comic relief...if this one pans out they should call the remnant Half-ghanistan. :D

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Re: Additional realistic cases of countries being split as a result of Communism (or some other kind of totalitarianism)

Post by Futurist » 18 Feb 2021 05:25

maltesefalcon wrote:
18 Feb 2021 05:16
Futurist wrote:
18 Feb 2021 00:42
In real life, we saw Vietnam Korea, China (if one considers Taiwan to be a part of China), Germany, and Yemen be split for decades as a result of Communism. In turn, this made me wonder--which additional realistic cases of countries being split for decades as a result of Communism (and/or some other kind of totalitarianism) could there have realistically been? So far, I can think of:

-Afghanistan had the Soviet Union tried to partition it in the 1980s as opposed to trying to subdue all of it.
As a bit of comic relief...if this one pans out they should call the remnant Half-ghanistan. :D
LOL! :D

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