Could Germany have defeated the UK, US and USSR if it had fought them individually?

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Re: Could Germany have defeated the UK, US and USSR if it had fought them individually?

Post by ljadw » 22 Sep 2023 11:52

You are wrong KDF33

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Re: Could Germany have defeated the UK, US and USSR if it had fought them individually?

Post by KDF33 » 22 Sep 2023 14:05

No, ljadw. You are.

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Re: Could Germany have defeated the UK, US and USSR if it had fought them individually?

Post by Aida1 » 22 Sep 2023 14:07

ljadw wrote:
06 Sep 2023 14:22
Germany would lose against the Soviets while US was neutral and Britain and France neutral or occupied .
Germany would lose against a coalition of the Soviets and Britain while the US would remain neutral .
Germany would lose against a coalition of US and Britain while the USSR remained neutral or was occupied .
I don't see a coalition of the US and the USSR as possible,neither a war between Germany and the US with Britain and the USSR being neutral or occupied .
Germany would lose in all occasions: no European country (even not the USSR ) was strong enough to dominate Europe :
France failed, Russia failed, Germany failed ...
The usual blanket denials.

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Re: Could Germany have defeated the UK, US and USSR if it had fought them individually?

Post by ljadw » 22 Sep 2023 20:59

Aida1 wrote:
22 Sep 2023 14:07
ljadw wrote:
06 Sep 2023 14:22
Germany would lose against the Soviets while US was neutral and Britain and France neutral or occupied .
Germany would lose against a coalition of the Soviets and Britain while the US would remain neutral .
Germany would lose against a coalition of US and Britain while the USSR remained neutral or was occupied .
I don't see a coalition of the US and the USSR as possible,neither a war between Germany and the US with Britain and the USSR being neutral or occupied .
Germany would lose in all occasions: no European country (even not the USSR ) was strong enough to dominate Europe :
France failed, Russia failed, Germany failed ...
The usual blanket denials.
I will correct this one : it must be : facts are stronger than a Lord Mayor .
The SU with a population of 250 million people could not impose its law and order on the satellites who had a population of less than 100 million, thus how could 80 million Germans impose their ruhe und ordnung on 150 million inhabitants of the USSR and on 170 million inhabitants of France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Poland, Italy . Greece, Czechia, Yugoslavia, Britain and Ireland ?
Hitler could not do what Napoleon, Louis XIV ,the Kaiser and Stalin could not do .

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Re: Could Germany have defeated the UK, US and USSR if it had fought them individually?

Post by ljadw » 22 Sep 2023 21:04

Besides : the question is wrong : Germany could NEVER fight US,UK,USSR (as usual France is neglected ) individually,because Germany could not invade the USSR as long as there was a sovereign and independent Polish state and thus Germany had to first attack Poland and this would result in war with the UK .And a war with the UK would result in a war with the US .

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Re: Could Germany have defeated the UK, US and USSR if it had fought them individually?

Post by ljadw » 22 Sep 2023 21:09

KDF33 wrote:
22 Sep 2023 14:05
No, ljadw. You are.
NO :you ARE . Your pro German propaganda is totally flawed,because Germany could not win a war of attrition against 150 million Soviets (they could not kill 150 million people ) and even if it won such a war, it could not afford him .
The only way to win was a short,fast and cheap campaign of a few weeks ,but the success of such a campaign depended on the Soviets only .

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Re: Could Germany have defeated the UK, US and USSR if it had fought them individually?

Post by T. A. Gardner » 22 Sep 2023 21:12

The UK, possibly, but it would have taken years to do it. Germany could likely have conducted land warfare against British colonial possessions in Africa as a means to do that along with clearing the Med of British presence. Outright taking England was likely out of the question. So it would come down to Germany being able to make the British come to the peace table and agree to an end to their conflict.

The USSR? Again possibly. This is more likely than the UK, and would probably involve a negotiated peace much like Russia signed in WW 1. On their own, the Soviets simply didn't have the military wherewithal to go toe to toe with the Germans without lots of outside logistic support. Yes, it would have been a bloody slugfest, but it's likely that without major outside support the Soviets would have to cave at some point and negotiate a peace.

Against the US? Not a chance. Germany has no means to conduct a war against the US alone. The sheer cost of trying to develop intercontinental weapons would have drained their economy severely and they would have faced retaliation by the same from the US. The US could clearly win a naval war and crush any German attempts at commerce raiding.
The question here is, would the US pursue a war to invade and defeat Germany? I don't think that one would fly with the public. A beatdown and negotiated peace is more likely the case.

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Re: Could Germany have defeated the UK, US and USSR if it had fought them individually?

Post by KDF33 » 23 Sep 2023 03:30

ljadw wrote:
22 Sep 2023 21:09
NO :you ARE . Your pro German propaganda is totally flawed,because Germany could not win a war of attrition against 150 million Soviets (they could not kill 150 million people ) and even if it won such a war, it could not afford him . The only way to win was a short,fast and cheap campaign of a few weeks ,but the success of such a campaign depended on the Soviets only .
This is all very silly: the Germans obviously didn't need to kill the entirety of the unoccupied USSR's population as part of a conventional war. Rather, they needed to combine the attrition of the Red Army with the gradual occupation of further Soviet territory, until the point that Soviet powers of resistance crumbled.

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Re: Could Germany have defeated the UK, US and USSR if it had fought them individually?

Post by ljadw » 23 Sep 2023 07:34

Wrong : the longer the war, the more the balance of forces was benefiting the Soviets .They became stronger every year while the Germans became weaker every year .
A gradual ( haha ! ) occupation of further Soviet territory was suicidal,as time was Germany's biggest enemy .
Besides : you totally ignore the reason for the attack on the USSR and the reasons why only a fast,short and cheap campaign could give Germany what it wanted and needed ,and this was NOT the occupation of the USSR,but the surrender of Britain .

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Re: Could Germany have defeated the UK, US and USSR if it had fought them individually?

Post by Terry Duncan » 23 Sep 2023 07:35

Indeed, this has got very silly. "Its your fault", "No, its your fault" is pointless, childish, unproductive, and getting this topic locked.

Cease and desist such behaviour, do not let it follow over into other threads or they too will be locked, or people allowed to have time to reflect on their attitudes and manners.

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